So again...
You think this example:
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Blue Marvel's speed:
Is comparable to this example:
Where Supergirl specifically uses her energy attacks, WW is trying to talk to her, AND she is specifically too fast for Supergirl?
And in this thread, WW is now bloodlusted, and has her sword? The same sword she had no hesitation in using to carve DS' eye out with?
https://i.imgur.com/tUJkVka.jpg
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Why is it an "SPEED!" "MMMFTL!! DURR HURR" argument with dc swallowers everytime they have a disadvantage?Diana's been TAGGED CONSISTENTLY plenty of times by less
Blue Marvel has been tagged by King Hyperion (who, by the by, beat him):
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/88267/3956357-age_of_heroes_03_pg_17_copy.jpg
Same King Hype who was getting tagged by a depowered Juggernaut:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11121/111213429/5514024-0983585902-52372.jpg
And had his neck broken by Namorita:
https://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111213429/5514088-6947276320-13504.jpg
He's also been tagged by Miss America:
https://imgur.com/a/GQGim72
Yeah, but Miss America is super duper fast!!
Miss America, having problems with a street leveller (ok ok, Low Meta lol):
https://imgur.com/a/EmYZeQJ
ADAM! BEHIND YOU!!!
https://imgur.com/a/Vkd562m
FTL Blue Marvel, struggling with the Chitauri.
Note: I am ONLY bringing these up because low showings are being used as if they mean something.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So again...You think this example:
Is comparable to this example:
Where Supergirl specifically uses her energy attacks, WW is trying to talk to her, AND she is specifically too fast for Supergirl?
And in this thread, WW is now bloodlusted, and has her sword? The same sword she had no hesitation in using to carve DS' eye out with?
https://i.imgur.com/tUJkVka.jpgBlue Marvel has been tagged by King Hyperion (who, by the by, beat him):
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/88267/3956357-age_of_heroes_03_pg_17_copy.jpgSame King Hype who was getting tagged by a depowered Juggernaut:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11121/111213429/5514024-0983585902-52372.jpgAnd had his neck broken by Namorita:
https://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111213429/5514088-6947276320-13504.jpgHe's also been tagged by Miss America:
https://imgur.com/a/GQGim72Yeah, but Miss America is super duper fast!!
Miss America, having problems with a street leveller (ok ok, Low Meta lol):
https://imgur.com/a/EmYZeQJADAM! BEHIND YOU!!!
https://imgur.com/a/Vkd562mFTL Blue Marvel, struggling with the Chitauri.
Note: I am ONLY bringing these up because low showings are being used as if they mean something.
and you wonder why I don't waste my breathe on you. everything with you is lowball, stop it. It's getting toxic
Lmao.
Not sure why that's a threat? You can ask Carver...all it means is that I can keep replying to you, pointing out all of your errors....and you can't reply.
You'll basically become my punchbag. And everyone else in the forum can read my replies to you, and still see me making fun of you.
It's the dream, actually. You'll never report me, because you can't see what I'm abusing you with....if I ever do. I can say what I want 😂
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So again...You think this example:
Is comparable to this example:
Where Supergirl specifically uses her energy attacks, WW is trying to talk to her, AND she is specifically too fast for Supergirl?
And in this thread, WW is now bloodlusted, and has her sword? The same sword she had no hesitation in using to carve DS' eye out with?
https://i.imgur.com/tUJkVka.jpgBlue Marvel has been tagged by King Hyperion (who, by the by, beat him):
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/88267/3956357-age_of_heroes_03_pg_17_copy.jpgSame King Hype who was getting tagged by a depowered Juggernaut:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11121/111213429/5514024-0983585902-52372.jpgAnd had his neck broken by Namorita:
https://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111213429/5514088-6947276320-13504.jpgHe's also been tagged by Miss America:
https://imgur.com/a/GQGim72Yeah, but Miss America is super duper fast!!
Miss America, having problems with a street leveller (ok ok, Low Meta lol):
https://imgur.com/a/EmYZeQJADAM! BEHIND YOU!!!
https://imgur.com/a/Vkd562mFTL Blue Marvel, struggling with the Chitauri.
Note: I am ONLY bringing these up because low showings are being used as if they mean something.
Uhm, where have low showings been used in this topic aside from these you just posted? Juggy vs King Hype is PIS by your own definition, yet you use it? So are the others. Ohhhhh, so Mr. PIS is a hypocrite.
Diana struggles and gets tagged by Aquaman.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-97cbd11c68fec2cd51af82dcfe8e5094
Street leveler?
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/32119/695837-ds16mc.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/32119/695838-ds24hp.jpg
Tagged by Mongul:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/10369/856390-mongul2.jpg
Blasted and struggles against Starfire:
Taken down by Bat Kick:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-079145f02f267c855d2a6280522b9ce6-c
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b57dd7cfa5072128c4ddbeb50a28efd7-c
Don’t cry PIS. Your PIS card has been revoked LOL!
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They're.....not standing six foot apart lmao:
https://m.imgur.com/a/Fi5IjCB
Now who's making things up? Where did you get six feet?
The point is, neither are brutes who push through things. Tensen’s hair flies back. Do shoulder bumps cause hair to fly back?
My point was that Wolverine was covered in speed lines, and interacted with the guys. Surely the fact you can't even see him makes him even faster lol.
Wolverine is off panel and we see his directional lines.
A joke? He shows the same distortion as in your scan....I mean what, is your example twice as impressive (so BM is twice as fast)?
Like a few thousand times more impressive LOL,
My point is that using art alone is a pretty dodgy way to prove your point.
Selectively crying PIS is more dodgy. On another point, Rodstvow morphs into his true form of a cosmic entity. Context is king.
And BM beats Hyperion through comeback and utilizing dynamic strength.
I on the other hand, have ACTUAL speedsters SPECIFICALLY remarking WW is too fast for them. Not too strong, or too skilled, or too fierce...too FAST.
And that was when she WASN'T bloodlusted, like she is here.
Look, I'm NOT saying BM is slow. He has superspeed. But WW is the the character SPEEDSTERS find fast, lol. There are levels to this.
All you have, is a showing where BM ultimately lost. [/QUOTE]
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They're.....not standing six foot apart lmao:
https://m.imgur.com/a/Fi5IjCB
My point is that using art alone is a pretty dodgy way to prove your point.I on the other hand, have ACTUAL speedsters SPECIFICALLY remarking WW is too fast for them. Not too strong, or too skilled, or too fierce...too FAST.
And that was when she WASN'T bloodlusted, like she is here.
Look, I'm NOT saying BM is slow. He has superspeed. But WW is the the character SPEEDSTERS find fast, lol. There are levels to this.
All you have, is a showing where BM ultimately lost.
Aren't both characters bloodlusted? Amazing the one sided thinking.
Speedsters declaring Diana as to fast for them is PIS. Unusable. A bloodlusted BM would unleash overwhelming power on her.
And what does someone morphing into a cosmic entity have anything to do with this?
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Uhm, where have low showings been used in this topic aside from these you just posted? Juggy vs King Hype is PIS by your own definition, yet you use it? So are the others. Ohhhhh, so Mr. PIS is a hypocrite.Diana struggles and gets tagged by Aquaman.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-97cbd11c68fec2cd51af82dcfe8e5094
Street leveler?
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/32119/695837-ds16mc.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/32119/695838-ds24hp.jpg
Tagged by Mongul:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/10369/856390-mongul2.jpg
Blasted and struggles against Starfire:
Taken down by Bat Kick:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-079145f02f267c855d2a6280522b9ce6-c
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b57dd7cfa5072128c4ddbeb50a28efd7-c
Don’t cry PIS. Your PIS card has been revoked LOL!
Did....did you not see the post I was replying to? Lmao.
And yes,BM is bloodlusted too. Never said he wasn't?
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Aren't both characters bloodlusted? Amazing the one sided thinking.Speedsters declaring Diana as to fast for them is PIS. Unusable. A bloodlusted BM would unleash overwhelming power on her.
And what does someone morphing into a cosmic entity have anything to do with this?
Love how you don't actually address my points though 👆
So in short:
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[*]I never used low showings, Alberto started bringing them up so I thought I'd nip it in the bud. But thanks for noticing 👆 the Juggy scans were to show that using the old 'A beat B who has XYZ showings, therefore scale off them' argument is wrong.
Unless of course, B EXPLICITLY says A beat them using a property that's being argued.
[*]Good to see that you acknowledge showings from Pre 52 WW as equally valid(as the majority of your showings are). Does that mean I'm allowed to use high showings from pre-52? Note all my showings so far haven't been 😈
[*]A few thousand times more impressive than Batman? How did you arrive at this figure, seeing as this is incredibly subjective, just as I have been pointing out all this time?
[*]No counter to my question for them being six feet apart?
[*]Yes, if you get pushed backwards your hair would fly up.
[*] Selectively crying PIS? ALL I said was when a slower character tags a faster one, it's ALWAYS PIS. It's up to YOU to prove WW is slower than Supergirl...good luck when Supergirl has, in a canon comic, admitted she's faster 🙂
[*]One sided thinking? Isn't that what you did a few pages back, saying WW was just going to stand there whilst BM tried to bubble her up, something that he acknowledges needs more finesse? MY point was, when WW was calm, she was fast enough to outspeed Supergirl. When bloodlusted, she'd likely be faster. YOUR point is......?
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I never used low showings, except WHEN BROUGHT UP BY ALBERTO.
Thought that point needed to be reinforced, lol.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So in short:[List=1]
[*]I never used low showings, Alberto started bringing them up so I thought I'd nip it in the bud. But thanks for noticing 👆 the Juggy scans were to show that using the old 'A beat B who has XYZ showings, therefore scale off them' argument is wrong.Unless of course, B EXPLICITLY says A beat them using a property that's being argued.
[*]Good to see that you acknowledge showings from Pre 52 WW as equally valid(as the majority of your showings are). Does that mean I'm allowed to use high showings from pre-52? Note all my showings so far haven't been 😈
[*]A few thousand times more impressive than Batman? How did you arrive at this figure, seeing as this is incredibly subjective, just as I have been pointing out all this time?
[*]No counter to my question for them being six feet apart?
[*]Yes, if you get pushed backwards your hair would fly up.
[*] Selectively crying PIS? ALL I said was when a slower character tags a faster one, it's ALWAYS PIS. It's up to YOU to prove WW is slower than Supergirl...good luck when Supergirl has, in a canon comic, admitted she's faster 🙂
[*]One sided thinking? Isn't that what you did a few pages back, saying WW was just going to stand there whilst BM tried to bubble her up, something that he acknowledges needs more finesse? MY point was, when WW was calm, she was fast enough to outspeed Supergirl. When bloodlusted, she'd likely be faster. YOUR point is......?
[/List]I never used low showings, except WHEN BROUGHT UP BY ALBERTO.
Thought that point needed to be reinforced, lol.
Alberto named not one single example. He made a very general statement about Diana often being tagged by non-speedsters, which is not lowballing. All characters get tagged by all characters in comics. If that triggers you to put down a lowball list, you were looking for an excuse to do so. A soaked Namora sneaking up from behind an unsuspecting KH and breaking his neck (something he immediately healed from) has nothing to do with speed.
I said nothing of anyone’s hair flying “up”. I said flying “back”. In the direction BM is running. That doesn’t happen from being bumped.
Where exactly did I say that Diana would stand still and let BM put an energy bubble around her? Provide the quote.
And please tell me how being bloodlusted makes you faster? Why would having your morals on keeping you from ducking and dodging? Dodging an opponent’s blows is not dangerous to that opponent. Bloodlust is moot to your point. And why do you emphasize a bloodlust enhancement for Diana and ignore it for Adam?
Originally posted by carver9
Love Wondy but I would give Blue Marvel an advantage over almost any Herald due to his anti-matter blast, strength, durability, etc...
What feats does his blasts have? They don't seem to do much against his peers or other herald level beings.
What if he shot Thor, Surfer, etc. what will the blast do?
She has bracelets to block. WW track record against blocking energy attacks from a distance is nearly 100% (if not 100%). Plus she has combat speed though avoid getting hit (it’s hard hitting an unpredictable moving object, especially moving fast).
BM has the strength and durability advantage yes, but that isn't enough.
WW has a sword and can one shot BM. WW has a lasso that is also hex. WW got the speed advantage and fighting skill advantage.
His blast didnt even touch Hyperion (I guess he did this because he didnt go into the fight with the intent to kill) and it nearly dropped him...
