Loki vs Magneto

Started by Darth Thor4 pages

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I was trying to say that there is more evidence supporting your stance than vice versa.

Also, it sure helps how Magneto lost his woman and daughter before Apoc began tutoring him.

Ah soz misunderstood.

Lmao, people actually went and saw Dark Phoenix?

Sorry to hear that.

^ It's not as bad as it's being made out to be.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
^ It's not as bad as it's being made out to be.

This.

People are crapping on it before they’ve even seen it.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Again, Magneto had a significant power increase in the past just by listening to Xavier.

Doesn't matter if he was amped or not --- what matters is: 1) he hasn't displayed any of his new abilities in DP, 2) even if he was amped, the amp itself wouldn't just fade away (as Storm retained her abilities).

Actually, there is a way we could figure out real quick if he was amped. I haven't seen Dark Phoenix yet, but if he wasn't ever amped in the movie there is zero reason for him to not use his forcefield thing again.

So, did he use it in the latest film?

EDIT: Also, I'd disagree that he had a power increase just via listening to Xavier. Sure he gave the dude some pep talks, but we know the guy was training at the X-Mansion with the others as well. In fact the one pep talk scene I recall...Magneto fails to do what Xavier had asked him to do.

I actually always took it more that Xaviers talks gave him more confidence and allowed himself to make great strides via training.

Originally posted by Surtur
Actually, there is a way we could figure out real quick if he was amped. I haven't seen Dark Phoenix yet, but if he wasn't ever amped in the movie there is zero reason for him to not use his forcefield thing again.

Not really. I mean These were never the most consistent movies to begin with.

Also we never saw him raise his shields instantaneously even in Apocalypse, so it probably takes some time for him to do that.

My point is we never saw Apocalypse using his own power to amp him, and even if he did, Storm never lost her amp, so theres no reason to believe Eric completely lost his. I mean Why would he? Bear in mind He still had the amp when he was fighting Apoc himself.

I'm not arguing he lost an amp, just that it is insane to think Apoc wouldn't amp him if he could(hidden super secret potential or not).

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm not arguing he lost an amp, just that it is insane to think Apoc wouldn't amp him if he could(hidden super secret potential or not).

Ah who knows.

Also what makes you say Storm never lost her amp?

Originally posted by Surtur
Also what makes you say Storm never lost her amp?

She displays all the same abilities in DP that she did in Apocalypse.

Abilities that Adult Storm never had until X3.

But honestly these films are not consistent enough to decisively conclude one way or the other, so best assumption (IMO) is that they kept it unless stated otherwise (or contradicted in a major way).

Yeah, considering that a timeline change in the Fox verse can apparently result in this:

I wouldn't put too much stock in continuity between films.

Also, this lol:

YouTube video

Seems like some people got a better deal than others. One guy became a dwarf while the others lost 30+ years in appearance.

Yeah they aren't consistent. It's why I'm not too broken up over this particular X-Men series ending.

Becomes even more broken if you add in The Gifted, which was supposed to be in the same continuity as the films. They have Quicksilver as Magneto's child as well as Polaris, which obviously makes them half siblings, except the two of them were literally born like 50 years apart, based on the info we are given in the films and show, seeing as she is in her mid- to late 20s during modern times.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller

Seems like some people got a better deal than others. One guy became a dwarf while the others lost 30+ years in appearance.

Oh I would just pretend thats McAvoy and Fassbender as they were not even cast yet. Honestly thats a small inconsistency and I can forgive that they wouldnt know they would cast younger versions Of the characters later.

But something like Sabretooth in Origins Wolverine was just an unforgivable inconsistency. I mean youre just gonna ignore the movie that started off your franchise?

Dont get me wrong, Liev Schrieber was great, but Just make him a different damn mutant jeez.

Origins Sabretooth is much closer to the character than X1 ever was.

The Wolverine Origins movie should have been about him and Sabretooth fighting through various wars over the years.

That would have been great instead of just the quick pieces that showed them going through different wars as a prelude.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh I would just pretend thats McAvoy and Fassbender as they were not even cast yet. Honestly thats a small inconsistency and I can forgive that they wouldnt know they would cast younger versions Of the characters later.

I am personally going to have to disagree here. They actively chose to jump roughly a decade with every film and then make absolutely no effort to visibly age up their characters at any point. I mean Magneto is supposed to be, like, mid 60s by the time of the latest Dark Phoenix movie, based on the amount of time they have jumped since First Class. They created this inconsistency through laziness and poor planning.

Originally posted by KingD19
That would have been great instead of just the quick pieces that showed them going through different wars as a prelude.

The only other good thing Wolverine Origins did was put out a great video game.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I am personally going to have to disagree here. They actively chose to jump roughly a decade with every film and then make absolutely no effort to visibly age up their characters at any point. I mean Magneto is supposed to be, like, mid 60s by the time of the latest Dark Phoenix movie, based on the amount of time they have jumped since First Class. They created this inconsistency through laziness and poor planning.

Holy shit I never thought about that. The first scene from First Class is from 1944 and Magneto looks about 14. So as of the latest film he is 62 played by a guy who is 42. Hell Ian McKellan is closer to Magnetos true age than Fassbender is.

I don't see why they needed to make such large jumps forward in time. First Class was set in 1962. They could have set the following two films in the late 1960s and set this final film in the mid 1970s.