Loki vs Magneto

Originally posted by Surtur
Holy shit I never thought about that. The first scene from First Class is from 1944 and Magneto looks about 14. So as of the latest film he is 62 played by a guy who is 42. Hell Ian McKellan is closer to Magnetos true age than Fassbender is.

I don't see why they needed to make such large jumps forward in time. First Class was set in 1962. They could have set the following two films in the late 1960s and set this final film in the mid 1970s.

This. The entire series was mucked up - not even the soft reboot that took place after DoFP could help.

As to the actual fight: Mags has a clear advantage, but would it be enough to get through Loki’s durability? That’s the real question.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I am personally going to have to disagree here. They actively chose to jump roughly a decade with every film and then make absolutely no effort to visibly age up their characters at any point. I mean Magneto is supposed to be, like, mid 60s by the time of the latest Dark Phoenix movie, based on the amount of time they have jumped since First Class. They created this inconsistency through laziness and poor planning.

Oh the not aging them was lazy AF, and ive been complaining about that since DOFP (at the end Cyclops and Jean are apparently in their 50s now without even a tint of grey hair).

Fassbender even said in a interview that he thought Apocalypse was a good time to grey his hair, but Fox didnt care.

But even if they aged them the inconsistency of the flashback in X3 would still be there, which is all im saying. They couldnt have known who would be playing their younger selves and what time period it should switch.

Originally posted by Surtur
Holy shit I never thought about that. The first scene from First Class is from 1944 and Magneto looks about 14. So as of the latest film he is 62 played by a guy who is 42. Hell Ian McKellan is closer to Magnetos true age than Fassbender is.

I don't see why they needed to make such large jumps forward in time. First Class was set in 1962. They could have set the following two films in the late 1960s and set this final film in the mid 1970s.

Yep. They really didnt care. All I can think is they wanted to introduce Jean and Cyclops. But no excuse for taking it beyond the early 80s.

With the MCU now taking so much care with their canon, its really no surprise audiences didnt really care to catch the last one in this series.

Originally posted by Surtur
In fact the one pep talk scene I recall...Magneto fails to do what Xavier had asked him to do.

Posted the video already. You failed to watch it.

Mags failed at first, then succeeded moments later 😛 That's when the whole emotional aspect of his powers is being explored, y'know. Something that perfectly matches the XMA scenes.

If you don't watch this stuff and can't even last through YT clips, you should stay away from KMC, Surt.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Posted the video already. You failed to watch it.

Mags failed at first, then succeeded moments later 😛 That's when the whole emotional aspect of his powers is being explored, y'know. Something that perfectly matches the XMA scenes.

If you don't watch this stuff and can't even last through YT clips, you should stay away from KMC, Surt.

Lol I admit I didn't watch it, I figured I remembered accurately. My bad 🙂

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh the not aging them was lazy AF, and ive been complaining about that since DOFP (at the end Cyclops and Jean are apparently in their 50s now without even a tint of grey hair).

Fassbender even said in a interview that he thought Apocalypse was a good time to grey his hair, but Fox didnt care.

But even if they aged them the inconsistency of the flashback in X3 would still be there, which is all im saying. They couldnt have known who would be playing their younger selves and what time period it should switch.

I am not referring to the different actors though. I am specifically referring to the clusterphuck regarding the ages. I mean they even had a rough reference to where they needed to end up, age-wise, thanks to having done Last Stand, and still screwed it up badly. Because technology has more than come along nowadays that it is doable. Just look at Cap at the end of Endgame.

^ Yeah ive already said not aging them was terrible and became more and more ridiculous with each film.

Like I said ive been complaining about that since DOFP.

All im saying is I can forgive ignoring how they look in that one scene in Last Stand after before recast (I figure we are just supposed to imagine thats McAvoy and Fassbender somewhere between DOFP and Apocalypse). But like you I dont forgive not aging them at all.

CGI on the main characters would have been very costly, and not sure Cap type make up would fit either. But theres absolutely no excuse not to give Eric grey hair (and future Cyclops in his 50s). Like that would hardly have even been an inconvenience.

Oh and Lucas Till (Havok) should have been left out of DOFP then recast for Apoc. Because you just cant look the same as a 16 year old and a 36 year old. Again no effort, just lazy with the time jumps.

If youre not going to do time jumps properly, then dont do them at all.

Also the “20 years ago” was wrong in Last Stand, but just have to ignore that. Tbf even Marvel have messed up on their “so many years later”.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Yeah ive already said not aging them was terrible and became more and more ridiculous with each film.

Like I said ive been complaining about that since DOFP.

All im saying is I can forgive ignoring how they look in that one scene in Last Stand after before recast (I figure we are just supposed to imagine thats McAvoy and Fassbender somewhere between DOFP and Apocalypse). But like you I dont forgive not aging them at all.

CGI on the main characters would have been very costly, and not sure Cap type make up would fit either. But theres absolutely no excuse not to give Eric grey hair (and future Cyclops in his 50s). Like that would hardly have even been an inconvenience.

Oh and Lucas Till (Havok) should have been left out of DOFP then recast for Apoc. Because you just cant look the same as a 16 year old and a 36 year old. Again no effort, just lazy with the time jumps.

If youre not going to do time jumps properly, then dont do them at all.

Well, yeah, I didn't mean they had to go full-on old-man with both. After all, Endgame Steve would have been in, like, his late 90s, if not past 100. More the point that makeup and VFX techniques have improved more than enough to achieve the desired effect. An example I often cite is Travis Fimmel as Ragnar in Vikings. They made a guy in his 30s legitimately look like he was pushing 60+. And all that was done with just practical makeup effects.

lol Imagine they hadn't killed off Havok and he rocked up in Dark Phoenix as a 50-year-old Eddie Vedder wannabe.

Huh, I got curious and checked. Cap would actually have been something like 103 at the end of Endgame, seeing as he was born in 1918, and they had the 5-year jump after IW. Or, technically, even older, if we also add the years between waking up at the end of TFA and going back in Endgame.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Huh, I got curious and checked. Cap would actually have been something like 103 at the end of Endgame, seeing as he was born in 1918, and they had the 5-year jump after IW. Or, technically, even older, if we also add the years between waking up at the end of TFA and going back in Endgame.

I presume his SS serum had something to do with helping him stay spry.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller

lol Imagine they hadn't killed off Havok and he rocked up in Dark Phoenix as a 50-year-old Eddie Vedder wannabe.

lol thankfully they killed him.

You know I actually kinda liked him. Instead of time jumping 20-30years to use Cyclops and Jean, they should have just focused on the team they already established in First Class. Plus Quicksilver.

Yeah, people talk about Cyclops being wasted in these movies, but Havok got an even more raw deal IMO. In three films, the most notable things he did was accidentally cause the deaths of Darwin and himself.

Seriously, when a character's most notable moment is blowing themselves up, you know someone screwed the pooch with them.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I presume his SS serum had something to do with helping him stay spry.

I wonder how much of his stats he retains at that age. It would be pretty funny if a mugger tried to jump old Steve, thinking he's an easy target, only to get smacked down by a centenarian.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol I admit I didn't watch it, I figured I remembered accurately. My bad 🙂