On screen feat:
Whoseover holds this hammer, if he be worth it, shall possess the power of Thor
Superstrength is one of Thor's powers.
- Odin Borson
On screen feat:
Worthy Cap being able to go toe to toe with Thanos, harming him with both his shield and Mjolnir, whilst King Thor himself was being outpowered by Thanos.
So, either Cap was always as strong as Thor, or as the movie suggests, he got Thor's powers (which include superstrength).
Burden of proof falls on your side.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Odin's words are clear, whoever is worthy shall possess the powers of Thor. Superstrength is a power, just like casting lightning is. Also, Worthy Cap was blocking enraged attacks from Thanos, whilst normal Cap was easily being one shotted by Thanos.Worthy Cap is superstrong, there is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
P.S: Vision wasn't a living being, not really. Plus, he was a personification/manifestation of the Mind Stone, which is an infinity stone.
You can't really compare Vision with Cap.
Superstrength is a power of all Asgardians, even some nigh midget Asgardian scrub is strong enough to rip off prison bars and casually bend steel.
What Odin did was make Thor essentially human.
Cap is normally super strong; that's what the treatment gave him among other abilities.
That scene with Vision was to illustrate that Vision was good and 'pure of heart' so to speak; so the Avengers knew he could be trusted.
Do wonder if it's officially stated somewhere in the MCU, if Cap was physically amped. Edit: Will say, your argument isn't crazy, certainly possible.
Originally posted by Robtard
Superstrength is a power of all Asgardians, even some nigh midget Asgardian scrub is strong enough to rip off prison bars and casually bend steel.What Odin did was make Thor essentially human.
Cap is normally super strong; that's what the treatment gave him among other abilities.
That scene with Vision was to illustrate that Vision was good and 'pure of heart' so to speak; so the Avengers knew he could be trusted.
Do wonder if it's officially stated somewhere in the MCU, if Cap was physically amped. Edit: Will say, your argument isn't crazy, certainly possible.
Asgardians are superstrong because they are magical beings. Their planet is magical.
What Odin did was stripping Thor from his magic/power, which includes superstrength.
So, unless there is explicit evidence to suggest otherwise, Cap became as strong as Thor, as he got his power/magic.
Vision is a personification of the Mind Stone and not really a living being. He is an A.I. On another hand, as Jane Foster explained, magic is science that we don't yet comprenhend.
In that aspect, the Mind Stone represents intelligence, and ergo, it wouldn't surprise me that Odin's spell was overruled by the Mind Stone.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Asgardians are superstrong because they are magical beings. Their planet is magical.What Odin did was stripping Thor from his magic/power, which includes superstrength.
So, unless there is explicit evidence to suggest otherwise, Cap became as strong as Thor, as he got his power/magic.
Vision is a personification of the Mind Stone and not really a living being. He is an A.I. On another hand, as The Ancient One explained, magic is technology that we don't yet comprenhend.
In that aspect, the Mind Stone represents intelligence, and ergo, it wouldn't surprise me that Odin's spell was overruled by the Mind Stone.
The point was that all Asgardians are super strong and not all Asgardians can wield Mjolnir, since you're making this connection of weilding Mjolnir = you get super strength.
Thor keep his super-strength and the rest of his powers (save flight, no Asgardians fly) even after Mjolnir was destroyed*, another point that Thor's powers are independant of Mjolnir.
Yes, so what I just said, Odin made Thor effectively human.
*As already noted, in Ragnarok we learn that Mjolnir was just a focusing tool for Thor's powers and he had his lighting/storm abilities all along, that overrode what was previously claimed in the first film.
So what if Vision's not a living being? A truck couldn't move Mjolnir. The point of that scene was to show the Avengers that Vision could be trusted because he was "worthy".
If Cap gained Thor's "magical" powers when he became worthy of Mjolnir, why did he still age like a normal human and become and old man when all Asgardians live for thousands of years? Well?
Is there an official statement from the MCU on this?
The clearest answer is always the answer. Cap did not have any resemblance to Thor durability because he wasn’t an Asgardian.
The enchantment did what it said. He had the powers of Thor, that doesn’t mean he had Thor’s biology of being an asgardian or his strength of being an asgardian. It means he had his ability to swirl the hammer and it’s power.
At no point did we see Cap able to armor up and being down Thor’s armor on himself, or Fly, or do many of the other things Thor did without the hammer.
Originally posted by Robtard👆
Thor didn't lose his powers just because he lost Mjolnir, Odin took away Thor's powers and put in a spell of sorts on Mjolnir that if Thor became worthy, he'd regain his powers as well.We learn later in Ragnarok that Mjolnir is a focusing tool for Thor's powers, but he has them inherently.
So there's no reason to believe Cap gained Thor's powers just because he could use Mjolnir. Do you also believe Vision gained Thor's powers when he was able to hold Mjolnir?
Cap did not get Thor's strength or durability as amps. Him being able to withstand Thanos' blows with his shield is also because his shield is made of vibranium. Despite it eventually breaking, there's no reason it to think it didn't just absorb or deflect most of the physical force Thanos put out just like it did with the charged blow from Thor in the first Avengers movie or the Mjolnir deflection during that fight. Otherwise, if he had Thor's durability, Cap wouldn't have gone down from two hits (Thor took a solid 7 yet he was still perfectly conscious and able to withstand Thanos pushing Stormbreaker into his chest).
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Asgardians are superstrong because they are magical beings. Their planet is magical.What Odin did was stripping Thor from his magic/power, which includes superstrength.
So, unless there is explicit evidence to suggest otherwise, Cap became as strong as Thor, as he got his power/magic.
Vision is a personification of the Mind Stone and not really a living being. He is an A.I. On another hand, as Jane Foster explained, magic is science that we don't yet comprenhend.
In that aspect, the Mind Stone represents intelligence, and ergo, it wouldn't surprise me that Odin's spell was overruled by the Mind Stone.
You have no prof to back up anything you just posted.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
👆Cap did not get Thor's strength or durability as amps. Him being able to withstand Thanos' blows with his shield is also because his shield is made of vibranium. Despite it eventually breaking, there's no reason it to think it didn't just absorb or deflect most of the physical force Thanos put out just like it did with the charged blow from Thor in the first Avengers movie or the Mjolnir deflection during that fight. Otherwise, if he had Thor's durability, Cap wouldn't have gone down from two hits (Thor took a solid 7 yet he was still perfectly conscious and able to withstand Thanos' pushing Stormbreaker into his chest).
Josh's argument for once isn't retarded, imo. But he's assuming a lot and completely ignoring what we learned about Thor and his powers in Ragnarok and the fight scene in End Game.
Mjolnir was like a focusing rod for his abilities; it didn't give him his powers though (except flight, it's a vehicle of sorts).
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
[B]On screen feat:Superstrength is one of Thor's powers.
- Odin Borson
On screen feat:
Worthy Cap being able to go toe to toe with Thanos, harming him with both his shield and Mjolnir, whilst King Thor himself was being outpowered by Thanos.
So, either Cap was always as strong as Thor, or as the movie suggests, he got Thor's powers (which include superstrength).
Burden of proof falls on your side. [/B]
Cap is already superstrong. He can lift at least a few tons.
So him knocking Thanos around with Mjolnir (without actually damaging Thanos) does not prove he is as strong as Thor.
Cap got one shot koed (appeared to be killed) by a single punch from Thanos. Thanos hit Fat Thor (a weaker Thor) multiple times in the face without koing him.
Originally posted by Robtard
The point was that all Asgardians are super strong and not all Asgardians can wield Mjolnir, since you're making this connection of weilding Mjolnir = you get super strength.Thor keep his super-strength and the rest of his powers (save flight, no Asgardians fly) even after Mjolnir was destroyed*, another point that Thor's powers are independant of Mjolnir.
Yes, so what I just said, Odin made Thor effectively human.
*As already noted, in Ragnarok we learn that Mjolnir was just a focusing tool for Thor's powers and he had his lighting/storm abilities all along, that overrode what was previously claimed in the first film.
So what if Vision's not a living being? A truck couldn't move Mjolnir. The point of that scene was to show the Avengers that Vision could be trusted because he was "worthy".
If Cap gained Thor's "magical" powers when he became worthy of Mjolnir, why did he still age like a normal human and become and old man when all Asgardians live for thousands of years? Well?
Is there an official statement from the MCU on this?
The reason they are so powerful is because, again, they are magical beings. That's why Thor's powers are different from Hela's, Odin's or Freya's. In that aspect, superstrength isn't related much to their physiology but to their relation with magic. So normal Asgardians must have some magic component to thier abilities, not just raw strength.
The moment Thor was stripped from his powers/magic he lost his superstrength. Ergo, being superstrong is a power of his. I mean, Thor is clearly way stronger than normal asgardians. So, in that aspect, Cap got even stronger than before.
Yes, Thor's powers are independent from Mjolnir. I never said that. But Odin made it ample clear that he "stripped" Thor's powers and basically stored them in Mjolnir.
Except Vision isn't a common "object", he is basically the Mind Stone. Universal weapon>>>>Odin's enchantment.
Again, Vision isn't a good comparison, as he is completely diferent to Steve.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
👆Cap did not get Thor's strength or durability as amps. Him being able to withstand Thanos' blows with his shield is also because his shield is made of vibranium. Despite it eventually breaking, there's no reason it to think it didn't just absorb or deflect most of the physical force Thanos put out just like it did with the charged blow from Thor in the first Avengers movie or the Mjolnir deflection during that fight. Otherwise, if he had Thor's durability, Cap wouldn't have gone down from two hits (Thor took a solid 7 yet he was still perfectly conscious and able to withstand Thanos pushing Stormbreaker into his chest).
Except his arms aren't.
Give a nod at the first seconds of the clip. A granade launcher is able to send Cap flying back...
Are you saying a Granade Launcher can pack a greater punch than Thanos who is able to bring down Hulk in a couple of seconds?
All evidence points at W.Cap being stronger than his normal version.