Worthy Cap vs. Kurse

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
The clearest answer is always the answer. Cap did not have any resemblance to Thor durability because he wasn’t an Asgardian.

The enchantment did what it said. He had the powers of Thor, that doesn’t mean he had Thor’s biology of being an asgardian or his strength of being an asgardian. It means he had his ability to swirl the hammer and it’s power.

At no point did we see Cap able to armor up and being down Thor’s armor on himself, or Fly, or do many of the other things Thor did without the hammer.

The easiest answer lies in Odin's words. And you ignore that Cap was withstanding two-handed blows from an enraged Thanos with his shield, while Thor was being pushed back by a laughing Thanos.

LOL. Cap was throwing lightning at Thanos! Thor's real power is lightning! So, are we to believe that Cap only got Thor's lightning power, which is the real deal, and not superstrength? Pfff.

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap is already superstrong. He can lift at least a few tons.
So him knocking Thanos around with Mjolnir (without actually damaging Thanos) does not prove he is as strong as Thor.

Cap got one shot koed (appeared to be killed) by a single punch from Thanos. Thanos hit Fat Thor (a weaker Thor) multiple times in the face without koing him.

Check my response to Arachnid.

Cap's strength boost is WAY CLEAR.

Also, Thanos was clearly harmed by Cap's shield attacks, punches and kicks.

Joshs answer would be the easiest conclusion to come to, but when looking at Worthy Caps Feats its not so clear cut.

Important thing is for the purposes of versus threads, Feats are not interchangeable, and On Screen Feats Only are to be used.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Joshs answer would be the easiest conclusion to come to, but when looking at Worthy Caps Feats its not so clear cut.

Important thing is for the purposes of versus threads, Feats are not interchangeable, and On Screen Feats Only are to be used.

Cap being knocked back by a granade launcher and then withstanding blows from The Mad Titan clearly proves a power boost.

Screen Feats are clear.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Cap being knocked back by a granade launcher and then withstanding blows from The Mad Titan clearly proves a power boost.

Screen Feats are clear.

Or thats just an inconsistency. Remember he blocks a hammer strike from Thor in Avengers 1.

Either way doesnt prove he is as strong as Thor. Let alone strong enough to put down Kurse (something even Thor failed to do).

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Or thats just an inconsistency. Remember he blocks a hammer strike from Thor in Avengers 1.

Either way doesnt prove he is as strong as Thor. Let alone strong enough to put down Kurse (something even Thor failed to do).

Okay, first of all, Cap was fully bracing when he took Thor's blow. Also, Thor hit Cap with one hand while Thanos was hitting him with two hands.

Plus, we all know that Thanos>>>>Thor in terms of raw strength.

Regarding Kurse, he was never hit by a blow from Mjolnir. He was deflecting flying Mjolinr, which isn't the same.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Except his arms aren't.

YouTube video

Give a nod at the first seconds of the clip. A granade launcher is able to send Cap flying back...

Are you saying a Granade Launcher can pack a greater punch than Thanos who is able to bring down Hulk in a couple of seconds?

All evidence points at W.Cap being stronger than his normal version.

A grenade launcher creates a bigger area of impact. Hard to block it with a shield. Unless you think a grenade launcher somehow produces a stronger impact than Thor hitting Cap's shield with Mjolnir?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay, first of all, Cap was fully bracing when he took Thor's blow. Also, Thor hit Cap with one hand while Thanos was hitting him with two hands.

Plus, we all know that Thanos>>>>Thor in terms of raw strength.

Regarding Kurse, he was never hit by a blow from Mjolnir. He was deflecting flying Mjolinr, which isn't the same.

Wow you are incapable of logic

Originally posted by FrothByte
A grenade launcher creates a bigger area of impact. Hard to block it with a shield. Unless you think a grenade launcher somehow produces a stronger impact than Thor hitting Cap's shield with Mjolnir?

YouTube video

Cap was crouched down and fully prepared for impact.

Again, Thanos hitting Cap's with two hands>>>>>Thor single handidly hammering the shield.

You still forget that Cap's punches, kicks, and attacks with the shield were harming Thanos! Remember IW? Cap was a joke to Thanos.

So, unless you have clear proof that Cap wasn't amped, Odin's words and the feats are against you.

Josh is still alive? Thought he died climbing Everest

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The easiest answer lies in Odin's words. And you ignore that Cap was withstanding two-handed blows from an enraged Thanos with his shield, while Thor was being pushed back by a laughing Thanos.

LOL. Cap was throwing lightning at Thanos! Thor's real power is lightning! So, are we to believe that Cap only got Thor's lightning power, which is the real deal, and not superstrength? Pfff.

He was throwing lighting at thanos with the hammer, not on his own, genius. Thor could use lightning without his hammer, so obviously Cap did not have all the powers of Thor.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
He was throwing lighting at thanos with the hammer, not on his own, genius. Thor could use lightning without his hammer, so obviously Cap did not have all the powers of Thor.

Odin's words >>>> Your words.

Screen feats>Odins words.

Thats the rule here, bucko

Originally posted by FrothByte
A grenade launcher creates a bigger area of impact. Hard to block it with a shield. Unless you think a grenade launcher somehow produces a stronger impact than Thor hitting Cap's shield with Mjolnir?

Crouching down to take a downward force creates more stability than receiving a horizontal force while standing. Also, obviously he won't be sent flying away if he's crouching. Again, he is receiving a downard force (pushed against the ground).

Also, where did you get that Cap withstood the blow? He, along with Thor were both send away....

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
YouTube video

Cap was crouched down and fully prepared for impact.

Again, Thanos hitting Cap's with two hands>>>>>Thor single handidly hammering the shield.

You still forget that Cap's punches, kicks, and attacks with the shield were harming Thanos! Remember IW? Cap was a joke to Thanos.

So, unless you have clear proof that Cap wasn't amped, Odin's words and the feats are against you.

Screen feats>Odins words

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Screen feats>Odins words.

Thats the rule here, bucko

Cap's punches hurting Thanos stands on my side of the argument, not yours.

Do you have evidence that W.Cap is just as strong as his previous version?

Otherwise, it's you word against my evidence son.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Crouching down to take a downward force creates more stability than receiving a horizontal force while standing. Also, obviously he won't be sent flying away if he's crouching. Again, he is receiving a downard force (pushed against the ground).

Also, where did you get that Cap withstood the blow? He, along with Thor were both send away....

Just rewatched it. Nowhere there do you see Cap blown away. If all you're talking about is stability, then the grenade launcher's ability to blast him away is simply due to a more precarious balance, not due to him having lesser strength than when he fought Thanos.

Are people seriously arguing that Cap didn't have Thor's powers while using Mjolnir?

Cap's shield and its ability to disperse force is inconsistent. He took Thor's killing hammer strike in Avengers without any trouble, but was knocked back by a grenade launcher in WS and a laser rifle in TFA.

It's ability is plot driven.

Originally posted by ares834
Are people seriously arguing that Cap didn't have Thor's powers while using Mjolnir?

No, people are aruging that Kurse beats the shit out of Cap, and that Cap didnt magically become Thor just because he had some of his powers.