Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Of course they're not.But speed is a primary attribute.
Who wins - a guy with a Swiss army knife which can do 101 different things, or a guy with a gun?
So if the military had a choice between a speedy weapon vs an untold amount of options for weaponry, they would choose the speedy weapon?
Originally posted by carver9
Exactly. I dont know what Darksaint is talking about.
That's a usual thing with you though lol.
If you can do 100 different things, but I can do my one thing and land my one attack on you before you can even think of which of your 100 things you're going to do to me...who wins?
Originally posted by carver9
So if the military had a choice between a speedy weapon vs an untold amount of options for weaponry, they would choose the speedy weapon?
Depends what the goal is. To win without fear of repercussions? Yes.
That's why there are nuclear strikes, delivered by....you guessed it, uncatchable missiles.
That's why soldiers are armed with guns, instead of the untold amount of options in hand to hand weapons.
That's why boxers train in hand speed, not in Shaolin temple breaking of bricks over their heads.
That's why kinetic energy weapons are a thing....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Depends what the goal is. To win without fear of repercussions? Yes.That's why there are nuclear strikes, delivered by....you guessed it, uncatchable missiles.
That's why soldiers are armed with guns, instead of the untold amount of options in hand to hand weapons.
That's why boxers train in hand speed, not in Shaolin temple breaking of bricks over their heads.
That's why kinetic energy weapons are a thing....
Carver will nuke you with his gamma fist... durhulk
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Of course they're not.But speed is a primary attribute.
Who wins - a guy with a Swiss army knife which can do 101 different things, or a guy with a gun?
Anyway, we can totally continue if you want, but if we do we should probably move it to the discussion thread.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Depends what the goal is. To win without fear of repercussions? Yes.That's why there are nuclear strikes, delivered by....you guessed it, uncatchable missiles.
That's why soldiers are armed with guns, instead of the untold amount of options in hand to hand weapons.
That's why boxers train in hand speed, not in Shaolin temple breaking of bricks over their heads.
That's why kinetic energy weapons are a thing....
But that isnt the argument here though. I get what you're trying to say but that doesnt translate to the forum rules being bias. Speed is a necessary while versatility isnt an option. The argument is, why would a speedster allow an attack to hit when speed is a basic power of theirs. Lol... whereas someone like, SURFER would ya know, blast, or Thor wouldn't use Mjlonir versatility as a first course of action. So, Gladiator gets to utilize his speed but Surfer, who is known to use his versatility consistently will resort to blasting. Versatility to Surfer is just as much a basic ability to him as speed is to Gladiator or Wonder Woman, etc... so why hinder Surfer while making Gladiator or similar characters, whole. Then, this fighting style completely ignores their comic counterpart. An argument can be made for Flash utilizing his speed during combat situations but Gladiator or people like him, on panel showings clash against what the debating style that is being discussed across the forum is asking for. You are either going to debate powerset which excludes ALL comic showings which means, theirs no need in even posting scans, the only thing you need to prove is, they can do it... oooorrrrrr, you provide evidence using comics which shows Gladiator, in character, fighting in a fashion where people like Kalibak could slap him. At the end of the day, there's more evidence that Gladiator and characters like him gets punched by Kalibak like beings vs Thor also using his weapon primarily as a blunt force weapon.
All I am saying is, for every scan you post of Thor not utilizing Mjlonir versatility, I can post Gladiator and characters like him being hit by a brick during combat. The difference is, on KMC Thor uses Mjlonir as a blunt weapon but Gladiator have the ability to fight at speeds that are not displayed in comics.
this isn't just 'any' character we're talking about, nor it is just 'any' sort of versatility. loki has been shown multiple times to be on strange's level (or above) and magic isn't just any type of versatility--it's likely THE best all around tool in the shed--and classic loki is as good at magic as almost anyone. it's not like we're talking about some street guy who's 'versatile'. we're talking about a thor-level guy who has some ss-esque levels of versatility. hulk isn't beating a serious forum loki--no brick is.
Originally posted by leonidas
this isn't just 'any' character we're talking about, nor it is just 'any' sort of versatility. loki has been shown multiple times to be on strange's level (or above) and magic isn't just any type of versatility--it's likely THE best all around tool in the shed--and classic loki is as good at magic as almost anyone. it's not like we're talking about some street guy who's 'versatile'. we're talking about a thor-level guy who has some ss-esque levels of versatility. hulk isn't beating a serious forum loki--no brick is.
I understand what you're saying Leo. I think the argument shifted.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Those weapons all escalate in a number of ways though. You can use the same examples to argue that the “primary driver of offensive weaponry” is explosive power, or mobility, or capacity to kill at distance.
It's not a bias, it's fact.There's a reason why militaries have been moving toward faster and faster weaponry. From hand held weapons, to slingshots,to arrows, to crossbows, to muskets, to rifles, to missiles, to ICBMs.....propellor driven planes to jet fighters.....speed is and always has been the primary driver of offensive weaponry.
You don't see fighters practicing to be slow, do you?
You also don’t see fighters practicing to be weak, lol.
On topic: Loki should win a forum fight.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh I don't think that's true at all. Yes speed is a big issue, but it's not like their primary goal is to have rapid firing hand held weapons and slingshots, what the military wants more than anything is to have a lot of options. They want the most efficient ways to bring down the enemy in any given situation whether it's high tech machine guns, napalm, poison gas, cruise missiles, EMPs, or anything else they manage to cook up.
And power is a big one tbh.
The Atom bomb ended WW2. Wasnt about the speed it reached its target. Not was it about versatility. Just raw destructive power.