Loki vs Immortal Hulk

Originally posted by NemeBro
Who said he hasn't?

Haven't you read Our Worlds at War like five times? He blitzed Mongul II, one of the projections on Warworld, at least two Imperiex Probes. And that's just from one story.

In more recent time him, Rogal Zaar, and Zod all explicitly fight at speeds that can't be perceived by most.

In Last Son of Krypton, he was able to blitz Zod and Ursa as a fast-moving blur.

But what does any of this matter? I'm sure you've seen all of these scans before so I won't bother posting them, and I'm sure you've worked out ways to try to invalidate the feat so that the inevitability of him beating Hulk to a bloody pulp before Hulk can throw a clumsy hook seems less inevitable for you.

So the fts you've named are proof that he can beat up Hulk before he could throw a clumsy hook? Aren't you the guy that is always asking how fast a character was going during something? Provide those calcs.

Can Loki move at those speeds? I have yet to see anything special that he has done presently. He didn't even defeat the Armadillo convincingly, and he's up against a guy that could finger flick Armadillo into space. This discussion has 5 full pages of gibberrish, because Loki is heavilly nerfed when outside of Asgard or Jottunheim. Every spell that he conjures comes with a cost, so as I mentioned earlier, Loki is not what he used to be back in the 90's.

Yeah but.....he's NOT being heavily nerfed by being outside Jotunheim/Asgard,...so your original assertion that he's diminished is also gibberish....

Wow who knew a Hulk v Loki thread would have so many highlights?

Originally posted by leonidas
lol yeah i know. i was trying to bring it back around to the match at hand. i know how once you and ds make eye contact you get lost in each other....

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
anal

Originally posted by Galan007
Surfer would use his rudimentary abilities(ie. strength, speed, and generic cosmic blasts) first, and then perhaps use the deeper aspect of his versatility as the fight progressed.

Originally posted by darthgoober
As far as I know, actually opening a black hole inside someone has only been referenced as an option in a non canon story(though he did use something resembling an energy time bomb to open a black hole inside of Airwalker that engulfed the enemies that were pursuing them.

But he has had his board speed blitz them while he did other things, trapped them in cocoons of hardened energy, trapped their weapons inside of force fields, transmuted their weapons, transmuted them directly, teleported them off the battlefield with a wave of his hand, seemingly turned them 2D to trap them inside his board, absorbed their internal energy, thrown their internal energy out of phase, BFRd them through time, traveled to the past to prevent their birth, attacked them on the astral plane because he's even more powerful there, strait up shut off their powers, used blast of light against his opponent because that's what his opponent was most vulnerable to, and whatever else I'm forgetting. Relative to his number of full on fights, he uses his versatility fairly often. As for him waiting until late into the fight, it could be argued that he waits for the same reason that Flash waits to start using his speed effectively... PIS. I mean we know that he doesn't actually like violence so it makes more sense for him to use it early in a forum fight where he's not allowed to just leave the battlefield and he knows there's no chance of talking his opponent down.

I'm curious how ppl would think a Hulk vs Strange match would go. In their earlier tifs, Strange would just trap him in the Bands of Cyttorak. But could Hulk smack Strange before Strange got a chance to in a Forum battle?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Sure, and that's why I don't think anyone gives Quicksilver the win over Hulk. Despite Quicksilver's far superior speed, he can't actually do any real harm to Hulk in a fight because the gap in raw power is too high and he has no esoteric mean of taking Hulk out (anyone more familiar with X-Men go ahead and correct me on this if I'm wrong).

But against someone who does have either the raw hard-hitting power to wound Hulk or has some hax ability that can phuck with him, the speed difference becomes incredibly important. Much more important than a strength difference would be, because strength alone does nothing to prevent you from being tagged by an ability that ignores conventional defense or helps you actually apply that strength and hit your opponent.

Yeah sure. The Quicksilver vs Hulk analogy makes sense.

I was just responding to the point that Speed is the all and end all.

But neither speed nor versatility mean much without sufficient power to have a significant enough impact on your opponent.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah sure. The Quicksilver vs Hulk analogy makes sense.

I was just responding to the point that Speed is the all and end all.

But neither speed nor versatility mean much without sufficient power to have a significant enough impact on your opponent.

Of course.

But it's moot when speedsters are able to hit with infinite mass, or Superman has his strength feats.

Really, it's just Marvel speedsters who are poorly served. Quicksilver needed iron piping against Mr X, for example.

In THIS thread, Loki isn't about fisticuffs. He doesn't care about matching power levels. He's all about the sneak sneak avoiding direct confrontation if he can help it.

So will use his versatility much sooner than Thor, who would prefer to use his sheer brute force.

It's about knowing your character, rather than just arguing powerset, which is wrong.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

But it's moot when speedsters are able to hit with infinite mass, or Superman has his strength feats.

Really, it's just Marvel speedsters who are poorly served. Quicksilver needed iron piping against Mr X, for example.

Well Superman has been banned from debates for now anyway due to being too OP.

Hulk has actually been portrayed as a speedster himself at times. Blitzing opponents. Well maybe Speedster is taking it a bit far, but he is an incredibly fast brute.

Yeah he's fast for his size, no doubt.

But not speedster levels. There's acres of leeway between him and a true speedster.

That's like comparing Luke Cage's superstrength to the Hulk's.

Loki deals with Mjolnir speeding towards him just fine.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well Superman has been banned from debates for now anyway due to being too OP.

Hulk has actually been portrayed as a speedster himself at times. Blitzing opponents. Well maybe Speedster is taking it a bit far, but he is an incredibly fast brute.

He has been shown to possess super speed though. Not Superman/Gladiator level speed but he have it. Even with it, I wouldn't say he goes around blitzing at untouchable speeds.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Loki deals with Mjolnir speeding towards him just fine.

Hulk does as well though.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk does as well though.

By sidestepping it in such a casual manner like this?

https://m.imgur.com/a/cJEgD

Originally posted by carver9
He has been shown to possess super speed though. Not Superman/Gladiator level speed but he have it.

Yeah thats what I said.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
By sidestepping it in such a casual manner like this?

https://m.imgur.com/a/cJEgD

Naah, he jumps over it and blitz Thor afterwards...

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g340/Fernando072295/hulkvsavengers01_zps487bcb53.jpg

FAR better.

....not sure how you can objectively say it's far better?

Especially when Loki has literally danced around Thor's attacks, and dodged America Chavez's attacks..

Originally posted by carver9
Naah, he jumps over it and blitz Thor afterwards...

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g340/Fernando072295/hulkvsavengers01_zps487bcb53.jpg

FAR better.

Damn ive not seen that one!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
....not sure how you can objectively say it's far better?

Especially when Loki has literally danced around Thor's attacks, and dodged America Chavez's attacks..

Perhaps Hulk is faster and Loki more maneuverable..

That said Loki has gone toe to toe with classic Surfer, who would dance around Savage Hulk... But then that was only Savage Hulk.

But this is Immortal Hulk, who has no speed feats.

That's if you're limiting yourself to specific Hulk incarnations.

Didnt know more powerful versions of the Hulk gets slower. I think you all try to use his mental state as a downplay to the character.

If they can get less durable they sure as hell can get slower. 👆

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
If they can get less durable they sure as hell can get slower. 👆

Well, I wouldn't say less durable. I haven't seen Hulk standing in one spot tanking hits from Thor level beings without flinching or laughing while a trans tier (possibly skyfather) punch him. He isnt less durable, at all.

Didn't Betty just carve his chest open?

Yes, I know Abomination was secreting the acid. But it was affecting his HF, not his durability.

Unless Betty is above Thor and skyfather level beings?