Superman [pre-OWAW] vs Gladiator

Originally posted by carver9
"I feel a surge of energy inside of me. Residue from the Green Lantern energy I was expose too, I'll bet. MORE POWER, THATS ALL I NEED. I'll just suppress it AND GET BACK TO HELP HAL IF I CAN".

If you think you can lie, troll, and then ignore what you just said, well...let's see 🙂

@Phil...

Cant quote you...Where did Hal give him this surge of energy (that he outright admits is more power)? I literally said he gave Superman that energy due to Superman flying off in green energy AND that being the only time he was truly exposed to that power. Do you have scans of another instance?

Your last point, I agree with you there. No argument against that.

Originally posted by carver9
@Phil...

Cant quote you...Where did Hal give him this surge of energy (that he outright admits is more power)? I literally said he gave Superman that energy due to Superman flying off in green energy AND that being the only time he was truly exposed to that power. Do you have scans of another instance?

Your last point, I agree with you there. No argument against that.

Holy shit.

And I do mean, in the literal sense, holy shit.

Let me take you through this.

1). Abin Surr is dying
2). He summons Clark Kent to be his replacement. He finds out he is not from Earth. He sends him back
Carverland: THIS IS WHERE SUPERMAN WAS AMPED!!

Originally posted by carver9
Superman during the beginning of the book meets a Lantern and short story, he gains an amp from this Lantern...

Here they meet...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41725702/SmartSelect_20190729-172029_Chrome.jpg.html

Here Superman ADMITS he is more powerful...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41725701/SmartSelect_20190729-171746_Chrome.jpg.html

3. Literally years pass

4). Hal Jordan is dying. He summons up multiple people to replace him.
5). He teleports multiple people using his GL power and surrounding them in GL energy.
Carver: THIS IS WHERE SUPERMAN IS LEAKING GL ENERGY!!

Originally posted by carver9
Where in the scan I posted did it even mention Hal amping him? He said get back to helping Hal. It was never mentioned which Lantern amped him. I used the Lantern on the page I posted because we clearly see Superman flying off in green energy. Then we see him here with Green energy leaking from his body...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41725751/SmartSelect_20190729-173302_Chrome.jpg.html

How many times, in your entire life, have you hit your head?

Seems like what I said is being ignore. Guess we are done here.

You are definitely done here.

I never said that Superman was more powerful because he mentioned power leaking off of him. I said that he was more powerful because Superman states "more power is all I need". Its like you're intentionally ignoring what I'm saying.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said that Superman was more powerful because he mentioned power leaking off of him. I said that he was more powerful because Superman states "more power is all I need". Its like you're intentionally ignoring what I'm saying.

Do you understand that lying, continuously, cropping scans, purposely misleading chronology, purposely not understanding time frames etc. are the most extreme, and blatant examples of purposeful trolling? Do you understand that, at this point, it's better to admit you're trolling -- than to say that's who you are?

Yep, you are not reading my posts. Thanks for the talk Philo.

Originally posted by carver9
Yep, you are not reading my posts. Thanks for the talk Philo.

As I've said, it's the most blatant example of trolling since I've been here.

Now, you're purposely failing/trolling to understand that, first of all, the residual GL energy is only after Superman already had plowed through time-stop and was sent back to Metropolis by Hal [alongside all of the other candidates] -- and also failing to understand that the residual GL energy has nothing to do with amping Superman in any way since it's a separate power source from his own power, and Superman never even used it and chose to snuff it out, compared to the rest who used the residual constructs:

The reason he ironically says "More power...that's all I need. I'll just supress it and get back to help Hal if I can" is because he doesn't need to use the residual GL power, so he ignores it. And the reason he says "get back to help Hal" is not because the following scene is the time-stop, it's because the scene BEFORE the residual power was present is Hal summoning him while he is near-death [and stopping time], so he thinks that Hal is still in problems.

How can you possibly read this so badly, when you even posted a link to the issue, that everybody can see?

Originally posted by carver9
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Action-Comics-1938/Issue-642?id=25914

Lol... you hide behind bashing in your debates... using it as a cover up. This is your debating style. You try to belittle people to show some type of superiority over whomever you're going up against. It doesnt work. Well, to some it does but your style isnt covered up by me. You've still yet to address what I said because you're bashing out as a means of making your point look more clear when it isnt. It was good talking to you buddy. Continue being you.

You do this to everyone you debate against. You try to belittle them to make your points stand out more. Hide behind calling people dumb, idiots, where is your brain, etc... I've already posted threads of you doing this. I dont even know why you try it on me when you know it does nothing. You've taken this route for yrs now. Whenever you're ready to debate this topic like adults, I'm here.

except you are an idiot, I believe not just Phil have told you so.

If you want people not to berate you, just stop posting and log off forever.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... you hide behind bashing in your debates... using it as a cover up. This is your debating style. You try to belittle people to show some type of superiority over whomever you're going up against. It doesnt work. Well, to some it does but your style isnt covered up by me. You've still yet to address what I said because you're bashing out as a means of making your point look more clear when it isnt. It was good talking to you buddy. Continue being you.

Originally posted by carver9
You do this to everyone you debate against. You try to belittle them to make your points stand out more. Hide behind calling people dumb, idiots, where is your brain, etc... I've already posted threads of you doing this. I dont even know why you try it on me when you know it does nothing. You've taken this route for yrs now. Whenever you're ready to debate this topic like adults, I'm here.

You are right about one thing: Philo can be an awful, abrasive prick when he wants to be. And yes, that is bad. But, there is one thing you need to consider:

You flat out lied in this post:

Originally posted by carver9
Alright, read the book. Amazing story, dont know why they dont make books like this anymore. Anyways, want to point out some things. Superman during the beginning of the book meets a Lantern and short story, he gains an amp from this Lantern...

Here they meet...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41725702/SmartSelect_20190729-172029_Chrome.jpg.html

Here Superman ADMITS he is more powerful...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41725701/SmartSelect_20190729-171746_Chrome.jpg.html

If anyone wants to read the book, here ya go...

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Action-Comics-1938/Issue-642?id=25914

Nice ft but it doesnt belong to Superman. Enjoy.

Like you've done in so many others. Philo is a lot of things, but he's far more honest about the comics he reads, so even if I didn't like him (but I do, he's yummy), I could respect him for that at least.

So yes, Phil's abrasiveness might get him banned one day because truthfully, a person can only get away with saying so much. The truth is, though, that it's likely to be long after you get banned for such rampant, dishonest, constant trolling.

And I swear, if I see you mention "new KMC rules" or "in character" one more time, I'll ban you out of principal for lying about something I said.

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All of that said? Back on topic please, and try to use some civility, everyone.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How is there no ambiguity?

The text clearly states science laws were being rewritten......

Default position was set , true. The setting was a universe where science was essentially gone.

The default of the confrontation is that what the narration describes is what happens until you prove otherwise. Also, why would the collateral damage to the surrounding multiverse affect Galactus himself? When cosmic beings collaterally damage reality, the damage doesn’t extend to their persons.

Thus, as powerful as Galactus is at that moment, no matter what happens to the surrounding multiverse, Galactus is perfectly capable of emitting his personal power as he intends to do. His photon blasts would have normal speed, his blasts have normal power, etc.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You are right about one thing: Philo can be an awful, abrasive prick when he wants to be. And yes, that is bad. But, there is one thing you need to consider:

You flat out lied in this post:

Like you've done in so many others. Philo is a lot of things, but he's far more honest about the comics he reads, so even if I didn't like him (but I do, he's yummy), I could respect him for that at least.

So yes, Phil's abrasiveness might get him banned one day because truthfully, a person can only get away with saying so much. The truth is, though, that it's likely to be long after you get banned for such rampant, dishonest, constant trolling.

And I swear, if I see you mention "new KMC rules" or "in character" one more time, I'll ban you out of principal for lying about something I said.

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All of that said? Back on topic please, and try to use some civility, everyone.

Originally posted by panthergod
Correction: He moved the Earth Moon system it it's entirety, single-handed.

I was under the impression that the holding field eliminated the mass of the Earth and Moon.

Superman just hoped so.

Somebody post the Superman holding a black hole ft so we can go at it for 25 pages straight. Good ol' times.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
The default of the confrontation is that what the narration describes is what happens until you prove otherwise. Also, why would the collateral damage to the surrounding multiverse affect Galactus himself? When cosmic beings collaterally damage reality, the damage doesn’t extend to their persons.

Thus, as powerful as Galactus is at that moment, no matter what happens to the surrounding multiverse, Galactus is perfectly capable of emitting his personal power as he intends to do. His photon blasts would have normal speed, his blasts have normal power, etc.

But that's precisely my point.

The narration states that scientific laws are being rewritten. You're the one ignoring this. YOU'RE the one who has to prove that his photons are still travelling at the speed of light etc etc... because, like you said, the default has been set.

We both know you can't prove it. Neither can I prove that the speed was different. But what I CAN prove, is that science and logic had gone out the window. Mindless Ones suddenly were all robots. Entire cities became mist. Weapons were turning into butterfly thingys.

And heralds were punching way above their weight.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But that's precisely my point.

The narration states that scientific laws are being rewritten. You're the one ignoring this. YOU'RE the one who has to prove that his photons are still travelling at the speed of light etc etc... because, like you said, the default has been set.

We both know you can't prove it. Neither can I prove that the speed was different. But what I CAN prove, is that science and logic had gone out the window. Mindless Ones suddenly were all robots. Entire cities became mist. Weapons were turning into butterfly thingys.

And heralds were punching way above their weight.

The default setting with regard to the confrontation is what the narration describes. The things you refer to are peripherals. You have to prove that the peripherals override the default. The problem is that Galactus's power causes the peripheral reality warps and it is illogical to state that his power warps his own power.

Galactus is a multiversal force at this point and is more than capable of unleashing his power as he desires to. So what happens peripherally has nothing to do with what he does directly. Comprende?