Fire-fighter stops potential shooter at Springfield, MO Walmart:

Originally posted by shiv
If you brought a fishing rod to a lake and proceeded to push a go kart around while simultaneously managing to keep a camera on yourself providing a running commentary on the go kart pushing activity you're doing with one hand while operating your media creation tool with your other hand, it would be pretty darn obvious you were there to film a viral video and the fishing rod / surfboard / hamburger / fish tank / etc / was a prop.

So if I was to film myself walking into a convenience store casually holding a knife in one hand (NOT threateningly) & a camera in the other hand...you're saying it would be ridiculous for either the shop keeper or any customers to act surprised or feel threatened at all?

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Ok.

But from an outsider's POV...If I brought a fishing rod to a lake, what would you assume?

If I brought a surf board to the beach...what would you assume?

A lake is a place normal people would go in order to fish, a beach is a place normal people would go in order to surf.

Are you claiming Walmart is a place normal people would go in order to kill people?

He's now claiming "social experiment" to see if Walmart was "Pro 2nd amendment".

Lol

Originally posted by Surtur
He's now claiming "social experiment" to see if Walmart was "Pro 2nd amendment".

Lol

You should check out the open carry audits on YouTube. There's hundreds of them. There's one when 2 guys walk into a police station with full tactical gear, semi automatic rifles, handguns and masks on. This Walmart one is as dumb as that. Totally ill-judged and probably does more damage to that cause than good.

Will do, just gonna do a search for "folk playing stupid games and begging for similar prizes".

Originally posted by Robtard
he's a moron and lucky he didn't get shot.

The more I read about the story, the more I agree.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And Adam_Poe is right, too.

Lax gun laws don't stop mass shootings.

Strict gun laws don't stop mass shootings - they just have the occasional potential to stop them from becoming very bad.

Easily accessible healthcare, stability, and good family unit prevents mass shootings and intentional homicides.

Massachusetts and New Hampshire couldnt be further from each other on the gun laws. Where Mass has some of the strictest in the country yet New Hampshire is up there with the most lax.

Yet they share something very important in common. They are routinely ranked as 2 of the safest states in the country to live in, where Mass is usually right at the top of fewest gun deaths and in the top ten in overall murder rates (per 100k people) and New hampshire is usually right at the top of murder rates and in the top 10 of least murders.

The fact that a good portion of the New England/north eastern states are routinely at the top of the lists for-

"Easily accessible healthcare, stability, and good family unit"- ddm

And u can throw education in there as well

Directly coincides with the fact that those same states are usually at the top of the lists for least gun/overall murders and violent crime in General.

https://www.safehome.org/resources/americas-most-dangerous-states/

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
So if I was to film myself walking into a convenience store casually holding a knife in one hand (NOT threateningly) & a camera in the other hand...you're saying it would be ridiculous for either the shop keeper or any customers to act surprised or feel threatened at all?

If you walked into a convenience store in 2019

(In a state where it is legal to carry knives in public)

one where they stack wire shopping baskets outside the shop

and enter the store

one hand fully occupied carrying a shopping basket

the other hand completely occupied holding up and handling a globally recognised social media creation device (quite clearly vlogging)

with a knife - a sheathed knife on your person or even a scythe slung over your back ...

Sure I'd feel threatened. I'd faint and die of fright.

Originally posted by Robtard
-Police then say Andreychenko walked into the Walmart Neighborhood Market where he grabbed a cart and began pushing it around the store. Police say the man was recording himself walking through the store via a cell phone.

The store manager at the Neighborhood Market pulled a fire alarm, urging people to escape the store.

Police say Andreychenko then made his way out an emergency exit where a former firefighter held the man at gunpoint. At that moment Springfield Police arrived on scene and detained the man. -snip

If the above is true: It doesn't sound like this man (who might be retarded) was out to shoot people, let alone an "active shooter", seems he had plenty of time to shoot, had he wanted.

It seems like he was out to film himself and make whatever personal statement, not murder anyone. He's a moron and should be punished with whatever law(s) he broke (I'm assuming Walmarts are gun-free areas?). Using this story as a "good guy with a gun saves the day" is a faulty premise.

Gotta agree with you, here, man. Seems like your narrative is exactly what went down.

Originally posted by Robtard
He filmed himself just walking around with a cart, so unless Walmart's cameras can show he acted in a threatening fashion, his lawyer will likely tear this apart on a 'this man was simply excising his 2nd Amendment rights' stance.

He's getting exactly what he wanted.

Seems like it. And it seems like this is going to be a case where someone loses a massive lawsuit.

Originally posted by Raptor22
this post might be more true than u know.

Massachusetts and New Hampshire couldnt be further from each other on the gun laws. Where Mass has some of the strictest in the country yet New Hampshire is up there with the most lax.

Yet they share something very important in common. They are routinely ranked as 2 of the safest states in the country to live in, where Mass is usually right at the top of fewest gun deaths and in the top ten in overall murder rates (per 100k people) and New hampshire is usually right at the top of murder rates and in the top 10 of least murders.

The fact that a good portion of the New England/north eastern states are routinely at the top of the lists for-

"Easily accessible healthcare, stability, and good family unit"- ddm

And u can throw education in there as well

Directly coincides with the fact that those same states are usually at the top of the lists for least gun/overall murders and violent crime in General.

https://www.safehome.org/resources/americas-most-dangerous-states/

Wow, this is an incredible post and write-up. Thanks for this. 👆

Feels great to be vindicated with facts like this.

If we have facts to back this up, now...why the hell isn't this being rapidly pushed through to make it nation-wide? Seems like so many lives could be saved and even our economy could greatly improve by having less-criminal and more-productive members of society. Healthy (both body and mind) people make more money and are more productive.

Slight correction. This sentence

"New hampshire is usually right at the top of murder rates and in the top 10 of least murders"

Should have said

New hampshire is usually right at the top for lowest murder rates and in the top 10 of for least gun deaths.

Originally posted by Raptor22
Slight correction. This sentence

"New hampshire is usually right at the top of murder rates and in the top 10 of least murders"

Should have said

New hampshire is usually right at the top for lowest murder rates and in the top 10 of for least gun deaths.

My mind auto-corrected it to interpret as, "top of murder rates = best murder rates where "best = lowest bodycount""

tsallll goooood

Originally posted by Silent Master

Are you claiming Walmart is a place normal people would go in order to kill people?

So considering the Texas Walmart shooting happened just 8 days ago...

You just happen to be at this Walmart with your family shopping & you past this guy, fully armed wearing body armour carrying an unusually large amount of ammunition with him...pushing a trolley & filming himself.

What's your initial thoughts?

a) "Oh shit, there was that Texas Walmart shooting 8 days ago..."

b) "Don't worry wife & kids, this ONE person in Walmart is fully within his rights to open cary, wear body armour & carry an unusually large amount of ammunition to do his shopping...it's all legal."

c) "See, he's actually filming himself. It's obviously a publicity stunt...Nothing to worry at all."

d) "Normal people go to schools & work places to shoot other people, definitely not a Walmart!"

Seems like some people think that because this guy was acting in accordance with the law everybody in the Walmart should have carried on with their shopping. The same people who would be calling the customers stupid for not leaving had the man opened fire.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
So considering the Texas Walmart shooting happened just 8 days ago...

You just happen to be at this Walmart with your family shopping & you past this guy, fully armed wearing body armour carrying an unusually large amount of ammunition with him...pushing a trolley & filming himself.

What's your initial thoughts?

a) "Oh shit, there was that Texas Walmart shooting 8 days ago..."

b) "Don't worry wife & kids, this ONE person in Walmart is fully within his rights to open cary, wear body armour & carry an unusually large amount of ammunition to do his shopping...it's all legal."

c) "See, he's actually filming himself. It's obviously a publicity stunt...Nothing to worry at all."

d) "Normal people go to schools & work places to shoot other people, definitely not a Walmart!"

My first thought would be that he's another one of those morons that try and provoke a reaction. I'd still keep an eye on him though, just in case.

@ddm, 👆

Originally posted by samhain
Seems like some people think that because this guy was acting in accordance with the law everybody in the Walmart should have carried on with their shopping. The same people who would be calling the customers stupid for not leaving had the man opened fire.

This is true. Especially considering what just happened with the Trumper in El Paso.

But legally, it seems like this fool did nothing wrong, unless it is illegal to open-carry in a Walmart in his state. But considering you can buy a gun and ammo for that same gun and continue shopping in that Walmart, seems like open-carry is okay.

Thank god a good guy with a gun stopped this.

Surt, you don't have to react to everything I say.

Originally posted by Robtard
Surt, you don't have to react to [b]everything I say. [/B]

Pretty much how I feel with Broly and Carver9.