Cheetah vs Thor

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, whatabouttism at its best. Kudos.

I'm talking about regular portrayals, pick a comic for Cheetah, Superman, Flash and 9/10 times they will be shown as superfast.

As opposed to Thor who gets maybe 1/500 chances of being shown as merely fast, he isn't a speedster and you know it.

So Superman, Cheetah, Flash are superfast on average and Thor isn't. Or maybe you think 1/500 showings is Thor's average?

Then that's just PIS.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not PIS if he's done it more than once no? Backed of course by showings that help make this case..

Its like his other stats. It can very greatly with in any given showing even with the same writer.

Out of his thousands of showings, I'd say....if he has 20 of them, then it's not PIS.

That's like 10%of his showings, which is where I think 20 is reasonable. 20, over 60 years, so a speed showing every 3 years isn't too much to ask.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not saying he is a "speedster".
Has he moved incredibly fast and percieved things moving incredibly fast? Thats a yes.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Out of his thousands of showings, I'd say....if he has 20 of them, then it's not PIS.

That's like 10%of his showings, which is where I think 20 is reasonable. 20, over 60 years, so a speed showing every 3 years isn't too much to ask.

In reality all he needs is just a handful of showings that streets can only dream about.

Because I explained my reasoning? 10% isn't bad.....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver is all about the average. Here's your chance to attack, Carv!!!

..he...hello?

I'm not in this convo because I too dont believe Thor is a speedster. I think he is quick but he isnt a speedster. I am about average portrayal though. Glad you remembered that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Out of his thousands of showings, I'd say....if he has 20 of them, then it's not PIS.

That's like 10%of his showings, which is where I think 20 is reasonable. 20, over 60 years, so a speed showing every 3 years isn't too much to ask.

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I just dont get it.

Originally posted by carver9
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I just dont get it.

Read the thread, I know a lot confuses you...

Cheetah's chances of beating Thor are about as good as her chances are of beating Orion.

She has her Tear of Extinction plus the Godkiller Sword....

Oh. Didn't read the OP. Well in that case. Off with his head then.

Originally posted by Stoic
Oh. Didn't read the OP. Well in that case. Off with his head then.

👆 highlighting the dangers of not reading OPs.

Yeah yeah lol.

Here's a summary of my (and possibly Phildo? I don't know)'s position, for the Carvers amongst us.

[List=1]
[*]We ALL (celey, Phildo, hell, even Abhi) 1,000% agree that Thor has super speed and super reactions.
[*]There are degrees to this shit, however. Luke Cage having superstrength doesn't mean he's wrestling a Celestial, for example.
[*] Thor's superspeed and super reactions are nowhere near what Cheetah's are.[/list]

So far, so good. Everyone here believes this, even celey.

[List=1]
[*]But what about all those speedsters Thor tags and hits with no problem?
[*]PIS. EVERY TIME. If a slower character hits a faster character, it's always PIS. The best you can hope for is CIS - where the speedster held back. NOT a problem here, it's Cheetah, the girl who hates gods and cuts hearts out to eat.
[*]Just because it happens in comics, doesn't mean it automatically gets accepted without question. Batman is herald level, based on this logic. Carver may hate my use of Batman, but it doesn't negate my point. After all, Toyman is one of Superman's oldest villains, and Weather Wizard is Flash's.[/list]

And that's it. Celey agrees that Thor is no speedster. And isn't as fast. Yet, we see him hit speedsters in comics.

That's PIS. Maybe CIS/CIP. None of which are present here.

Cheetah slits his throat before he even realises she's there.

K.. So we have this guy who holds back a lot. Holds back especially against who he normally thinks are "weaker" than him. He even holds back against fairly powerful characters.

He also has no problem tagging or even outreacting in some cases extremely fast individuals. I mean really fast, like light speed fast. Happens time and again.

This guy also has speed feats that even make him look like a speedster. Kinda weird and definitely not a usual occurence, but it happens.

He also has speed and reaction showings that street level heroes can only dream of. Again not a usual occurence, but it happens.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
K.. So we have this guy who holds back a lot. Holds back especially against who he normally thinks are "weaker" than him. He even holds back against fairly powerful characters.

He also has no problem tagging or even outreacting in some cases extremely fast individuals. I mean really fast, like light speed fast. Happens time and again.

This guy also has speed feats that even make him look like a speedster. Kinda weird and definitely not a usual occurence, but it happens.

He also has speed and reaction showings that street level heroes can only dream of. Again not a usual occurence, but it happens.

Point 1: cool. CIS is still always in play in forum fights. CIP too. Even when his opponents are fairly powerful. All you are telling me is that there's a good chance he holds back (and like you said, he holds back a LOT) and gets his throat slit by Cheetah. You also have the argument that HIS opponents can also hold back, but that's a sub-point.

Point 2: And has been punished by less. Happens time and again.

Point 3: As have many other characters. Batman being a prime candidate, but other Batfamily members have this too.

Point 4: Again, as do many other characters. Again, not a usual occurence, but it happens.

So.....if ALL your argument rests on is 'but it has happened in comics!!!', that's not really an argument. Batman has dodged HV AFTER it has been fired. See my point 3 in the post before yours.

Just because it happens in comics, doesn't mean it automatically gets accepted without question.

Batman cant do the more extreme speed showings though.

Or at least i dun think he can. Then again this is comics. Lol

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Here's a summary of my (and possibly Phildo? I don't know)'s position, for the Carvers amongst us.

[List=1]
[*]We ALL (celey, Phildo, hell, even Abhi) 1,000% agree that Thor has super speed and super reactions.
[*]There are degrees to this shit, however. Luke Cage having superstrength doesn't mean he's wrestling a Celestial, for example.
[*] Thor's superspeed and super reactions are nowhere near what Cheetah's are.[/list]

So far, so good. Everyone here believes this, even celey.

[List=1]
[*]But what about all those speedsters Thor tags and hits with no problem?
[*]PIS. EVERY TIME. If a slower character hits a faster character, it's always PIS. The best you can hope for is CIS - where the speedster held back. NOT a problem here, it's Cheetah, the girl who hates gods and cuts hearts out to eat.
[*]Just because it happens in comics, doesn't mean it automatically gets accepted without question. Batman is herald level, based on this logic. Carver may hate my use of Batman, but it doesn't negate my point. After all, Toyman is one of Superman's oldest villains, and Weather Wizard is Flash's.[/list]

And that's it. Celey agrees that Thor is no speedster. And isn't as fast. Yet, we see him hit speedsters in comics.

That's PIS. Maybe CIS/CIP. None of which are present here.

Cheetah slits his throat before he even realises she's there.

Originally posted by darthgoober
By your reasoning though, if Thor is a God and has feats to prove that he has superspeed, would it mean that every single time he gets hit by someone a street level who's not fast enough to match his high end stuff PIS regardless of how frequently it's happened?

What does him being a god have to do with anything?

Moreover, that assumes the street levellers can't match his high end stuff.

Edit: plus, that then becomes circular.

Thor is fast because he deals with speedster X. Wolverine is fast because he deals with Thor (who specifically comments on his speed). Mr X is fast because he deals with Wolverine. Quicksilver is fast because he deals with Mr X. Thor is fast because he deals with Quicksilver.

Etc.