Originally posted by Insane Titan
you’re full of shit. It shows you planets broken in half , the same attack killed all celestials. You’re just a lying troll it shows on panel, it killing heros like Gladiator, Hyperion , Thor. All these heros such as Surfer and Hulk etc died it’s even flat out stated on panel.Each blast was targeted on Thanos.
You’re a complete waste of time and a moron who tries to use lowballing when it suits them.
It doesn't show any single blasts hitting a planet and said planet shatters instantly. It shows the opposite. Blasts that were hitting Thanos were also hitting the planet and only a small crater was formed.
Therefore, Thanos wasn't getting hit with blasts that were capable of shattering a planet instantly.
Originally posted by h1a8it shows planet cracked in half along with the beam burrowing through a planet. Again you ignore the fact it killed Celestials.
It doesn't show any single blasts hitting a planet and said planet shatters instantly. It shows the opposite. Blasts that were hitting Thanos were also hitting the planet and only a small crater was formed.Therefore, Thanos wasn't getting hit with blasts that were capable of shattering a planet instantly.
The beam was concentrated on Thanos unlike previously shown to have a wider scale troll.
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I read about as much as I can stomach of h1 which amounts to about two posts skimmed over 2 pages. Barely any of Insane Titan for that matter.
But anyway, it's not about the feats being shown in every appearance. If a being uses all its power and only destroys a building, and then the next appearance has an exact repeat but destroys a solar system, the intention isn't that they got a trillion times a trillion stronger, the intention is that they used all their powers and the variance of comic writers and feats just shows what someone else might portray that as. Obviously that's also not perfect but this obsession with collateral damage is retarded... even moreso when Thanos has those feats in spades.
What those higher end feats are useful for are matching other characters and then contrasting from there. You still want to know how these characters compare to each other as an equally or more important representation of power. No matter how many good feats Thor has, he's still going to get overpowered by Hulk who really... kind of has shit feats. Surfer is always going to be garbage to Thanos. Thor is always going to be garbage to Wolverine, etc.
The intention is that these characters don't lose their max power when facing bad guys unless specifically stated. Oh yeah, Thor was holding back on Thanos, Thor's long history with Thanos said that he should take it a little bit easy here when cheapshotting Thanos. Maybe he can scare him off with half power. Thor is using the same amount of his power whether Starlin writes it or Aaron writes it, it's just a difference in how they portray the landscape to take it. Whether you want to argue every shot was planetary, solar system, universal, or brick level, that's on you. It doesn't account for how much Thor pales in comparison in sheer power. You're probably better off just using higher opinions on the characters from the specific writers than sheer scope of battle if you're at it from a different perspectic.
Going this route, you basically just ignore the actual fights, look at other big outliers and then go "Well Thorfer was only using BoG Beerus levels of power here while he was screaming and crying like a madman!"
Obviously no version of contrasting comics characters is perfect with so many different opinions, but when it comes to characters within the same company, direct fights should comes first and foremost. Important context of that is effort. Scaling has its place as well because a character consistently taking stronger attacks but getting damaged by a pussy like Thor doesn't mesh together well, but again, that's actual tangible evidence instead of just looking at huge scopes of one off feats.
Odin vs Seth rocks the multiverse while Odin was weakened. Odin at full power hammers on Thanos after just fighting his roided son on a power gem. Thanos multiversal durability guys???
Never the intention except for deceit, but you can argue it if you want. You just start getting retarded Youtube scaling while getting away from how the actual characters exist in the books.
It might be different for those consistent universal/multiversal beings, but for Thor level beings full power is full power. He's not using less effort to bash Hulk in the face and crack the ground than he is punching Spider-Man in the face and destroying a solar system. You can get a little deeper with that no doubt, but that's the surface of it. It should be a case by case basis everytime and if it turns into collateral damage; examine what the actual damage is - no one should need to remind H1 that galaxies are made of fluff afterall.
Argument should have been over the first time someone used Thanos' literal first appearance. But it wasn't Surfer cracking the planet?! Doesn't matter; when the argument is for planets instead of characters you have chosen to divorce it yourself.
As for this thread, Thanos backhands Thor and he dies, Surfer dies, and Hulk also dies if Thanos is going all out off the bat. Carver ties a snakeskin belt around a door handle to try and masturbate the pain away. It's up to the writer how much collateral damage that does if any.
Originally posted by One Big MobImagine skipping my posts.
Feats feats feats feats feats featsI read about as much as I can stomach of h1 which amounts to about two posts skimmed over 2 pages. Barely any of Insane Titan for that matter.
But anyway, it's not about the feats being shown in every appearance. If a being uses all its power and only destroys a building, and then the next appearance has an exact repeat but destroys a solar system, the intention isn't that they got a trillion times a trillion stronger, the intention is that they used all their powers and the variance of comic writers and feats just shows what someone else might portray that as. Obviously that's also not perfect but this obsession with collateral damage is retarded... even moreso when Thanos has those feats in spades.
What those higher end feats are useful for are matching other characters and then contrasting from there. You still want to know how these characters compare to each other as an equally or more important representation of power. No matter how many good feats Thor has, he's still going to get overpowered by Hulk who really... kind of has shit feats. Surfer is always going to be garbage to Thanos. Thor is always going to be garbage to Wolverine, etc.
The intention is that these characters don't lose their max power when facing bad guys unless specifically stated. Oh yeah, Thor was holding back on Thanos, Thor's long history with Thanos said that he should take it a little bit easy here when cheapshotting Thanos. Maybe he can scare him off with half power. Thor is using the same amount of his power whether Starlin writes it or Aaron writes it, it's just a difference in how they portray the landscape to take it. Whether you want to argue every shot was planetary, solar system, universal, or brick level, that's on you. It doesn't account for how much Thor pales in comparison in sheer power. You're probably better off just using higher opinions on the characters from the specific writers than sheer scope of battle if you're at it from a different perspectic.
Going this route, you basically just ignore the actual fights, look at other big outliers and then go "Well Thorfer was only using BoG Beerus levels of power here while he was screaming and crying like a madman!"
Obviously no version of contrasting comics characters is perfect with so many different opinions, but when it comes to characters within the same company, direct fights should comes first and foremost. Important context of that is effort. Scaling has its place as well because a character consistently taking stronger attacks but getting damaged by a pussy like Thor doesn't mesh together well, but again, that's actual tangible evidence instead of just looking at huge scopes of one off feats.
Odin vs Seth rocks the multiverse while Odin was weakened. Odin at full power hammers on Thanos after just fighting his roided son on a power gem. Thanos multiversal durability guys???
Never the intention except for deceit, but you can argue it if you want. You just start getting retarded Youtube scaling while getting away from how the actual characters exist in the books.It might be different for those consistent universal/multiversal beings, but for Thor level beings full power is full power. He's not using less effort to bash Hulk in the face and crack the ground than he is punching Spider-Man in the face and destroying a solar system. You can get a little deeper with that no doubt, but that's the surface of it. It should be a case by case basis everytime and if it turns into collateral damage; examine what the actual damage is - no one should need to remind H1 that galaxies are made of fluff afterall.
Argument should have been over the first time someone used Thanos' literal first appearance. But it wasn't Surfer cracking the planet?! Doesn't matter; when the argument is for planets instead of characters you have chosen to divorce it yourself.
As for this thread, Thanos backhands Thor and he dies, Surfer dies, and Hulk also dies if Thanos is going all out off the bat. Carver ties a snakeskin belt around a door handle to try and masturbate the pain away. It's up to the writer how much collateral damage that does if any.
I now regret you coming back for this insolence.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Feats feats feats feats feats featsI read about as much as I can stomach of h1 which amounts to about two posts skimmed over 2 pages. Barely any of Insane Titan for that matter.
But anyway, it's not about the feats being shown in every appearance. If a being uses all its power and only destroys a building, and then the next appearance has an exact repeat but destroys a solar system, the intention isn't that they got a trillion times a trillion stronger, the intention is that they used all their powers and the variance of comic writers and feats just shows what someone else might portray that as. Obviously that's also not perfect but this obsession with collateral damage is retarded... even moreso when Thanos has those feats in spades.
What those higher end feats are useful for are matching other characters and then contrasting from there. You still want to know how these characters compare to each other as an equally or more important representation of power. No matter how many good feats Thor has, he's still going to get overpowered by Hulk who really... kind of has shit feats. Surfer is always going to be garbage to Thanos. Thor is always going to be garbage to Wolverine, etc.
The intention is that these characters don't lose their max power when facing bad guys unless specifically stated. Oh yeah, Thor was holding back on Thanos, Thor's long history with Thanos said that he should take it a little bit easy here when cheapshotting Thanos. Maybe he can scare him off with half power. Thor is using the same amount of his power whether Starlin writes it or Aaron writes it, it's just a difference in how they portray the landscape to take it. Whether you want to argue every shot was planetary, solar system, universal, or brick level, that's on you. It doesn't account for how much Thor pales in comparison in sheer power. You're probably better off just using higher opinions on the characters from the specific writers than sheer scope of battle if you're at it from a different perspectic.
Going this route, you basically just ignore the actual fights, look at other big outliers and then go "Well Thorfer was only using BoG Beerus levels of power here while he was screaming and crying like a madman!"
Obviously no version of contrasting comics characters is perfect with so many different opinions, but when it comes to characters within the same company, direct fights should comes first and foremost. Important context of that is effort. Scaling has its place as well because a character consistently taking stronger attacks but getting damaged by a pussy like Thor doesn't mesh together well, but again, that's actual tangible evidence instead of just looking at huge scopes of one off feats.
Odin vs Seth rocks the multiverse while Odin was weakened. Odin at full power hammers on Thanos after just fighting his roided son on a power gem. Thanos multiversal durability guys???
Never the intention except for deceit, but you can argue it if you want. You just start getting retarded Youtube scaling while getting away from how the actual characters exist in the books.It might be different for those consistent universal/multiversal beings, but for Thor level beings full power is full power. He's not using less effort to bash Hulk in the face and crack the ground than he is punching Spider-Man in the face and destroying a solar system. You can get a little deeper with that no doubt, but that's the surface of it. It should be a case by case basis everytime and if it turns into collateral damage; examine what the actual damage is - no one should need to remind H1 that galaxies are made of fluff afterall.
Argument should have been over the first time someone used Thanos' literal first appearance. But it wasn't Surfer cracking the planet?! Doesn't matter; when the argument is for planets instead of characters you have chosen to divorce it yourself.
As for this thread, Thanos backhands Thor and he dies, Surfer dies, and Hulk also dies if Thanos is going all out off the bat. Carver ties a snakeskin belt around a door handle to try and masturbate the pain away. It's up to the writer how much collateral damage that does if any.
Surprisingly, I agree with quite a lot what you said except one thing.
The thing that I disagree with is:
1. "A character's direct fight with another character in a comic ALWAYS holds the most water when considering how things will go in a forum fight." It's not that simple. In a forum fight we have FULL CAPACITY. Characters, in comics, often job, not use their abilities as shown before (like speed), etc when fighting other characters in a comic. Rather, we should analyzed the fight to find places where the character is written to job and argue from that point. It's a bit more complex but we get a closer truth to how things will go down in a forum under the FULL CAPACITY rule.
As far as power levels (taking a character's best shot) then I agree with you there. If Surfer has given Thanos all his might without much damage taken then that is how it would go in a forum too UNLESS we get blatant contradictions (which lead to faulty conclusions). It is my opinion that Surfer got more powerful when we busted that planet on Ravenous. Prior showings, Surfer did nothing that was even 1 millionth of that ballpark (I don't consider the shared Morg feat since the feat involved creating a chain reaction to cause the planet to blow itself up, still impressive though). I haven't seen Surfer blast Thanos with his all his might after the Ravenous scene (he later gave Thanos a seemingly casual blast, appearing to slightly jarr Thanos, while asking questions).
The problem posters have here is equating a character's highest showing (busting solar systems) with all other showings when it is extremely clear that characters full might vary in power from scene to scene (as you pointed out in the building vs solar system example). Gladiator punching thing or Colossus with all his might doesn't mean he was punching them with planet busting power. That would be retarded and lead to gross contradictions. Instead, when doing direct comparisons from power level to a character, we must take the typical power level a character is usually portrayed at to determine how much force the other character resisted. For example, if Odin is typically portrayed as mountain busting level on a high majority of the time (we know this by #1 the damage he caused a particular character with known durability and #2 the direct, not collateral, damage to the landscape).
Surfer, although is extremely more powerful (imo) than he was when he was shown to blast Thanos with all his might, will at least do slight damages to Thanos with his blasts in a forum fight (evidence is also in the last blast Surfer gave Thanos). But more importantly, Surfer will use his speed defensively (with shielding), especially knowing how powerful Thanos is. Board from behind tricks might help too.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I agree with you but I also completely disagree in this minor way that changes everything and Surfer fights really smart but only against characters I dislike. Great talk.Shut up.
If Surfer can percieve faster than light events then why would Surfer purposely get hit? Pr explicitly stated no character will not choose NOT to do a tactic (they have done in the past) if they know that if they will lose if they choose not to do it.
Plus it is silly for a character to turn off their reflexes in a fight. It's better to argue said character will not have x amount of reflexes in a forum fight for y reasons.
The board from behind trick Surfer has employed on several occasions. I never stated what particular tactics Surfer will use out of the box. He might not even use the board from behind trick. I listed it as a viable option (last resort if you may). But don't see Surfer perceiving Thanos well and choosing not to defend himself.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Surfer blasted Thanos full power in infinity revelations with no effect. So the excuse of Surfer been less powerful than in Thanos quest is bullshit
Originally posted by h1a8
...(he later gave Thanos a seemingly casual blast, appearing to slightly jarr Thanos, while asking questions)....(evidence is also in the last blast Surfer gave Thanos).
Originally posted by h1a8
If Surfer can percieve faster than light events then why would Surfer purposely get hit? Pr explicitly stated no character will not choose NOT to do a tactic (they have done in the past) if they know that if they will lose if they choose not to do it.Plus it is silly for a character to turn off their reflexes in a fight. It's better to argue said character will not have x amount of reflexes in a forum fight for y reasons.
But don't see Surfer perceiving Thanos well and choosing not to defend himself.
Originally posted by h1a8Yes, Surfer needs to turn off his reflexes to get hit. That is totally what was being said. I wonder how far that extends once you put Surfer against DC characters...
If Surfer can percieve faster than light events then why would Surfer purposely get hit? Pr explicitly stated no character will not choose NOT to do a tactic (they have done in the past) if they know that if they will lose if they choose not to do it.Plus it is silly for a character to turn off their reflexes in a fight. It's better to argue said character will not have x amount of reflexes in a forum fight for y reasons.
The board from behind trick Surfer has employed on several occasions. I never stated what particular tactics Surfer will use out of the box. He might not even use the board from behind trick. I listed it as a viable option (last resort if you may). But don't see Surfer perceiving Thanos well and choosing not to defend himself.
Surfer employs the board behind the back trick... so... the big ace in the hole is Surfer losing all his speed to use an attack that can't actually do much damage to Thanos. Very good tactics. He might not use it but I keep bringing it up while ignoring what it actually means.
Full capacity Surfer vs no capacity Thanos. Surfer angry cheapshotting Thanos makes Thanos with no shielding react without pain.
We must go by the fights but also must ignore the fights completely because Surfer can't get hit by Thanos as indicated by the times he got hit by Thanos and Thanos reacting to faster or similar speeds.
Why did you even pretend you agreed with anything I said? You obviously don't and never have went by comics, let alone context heavy events. You should just post those power scaling wikis instead of pretending you have a basis.
But can you tell me what Surfer fights you're using to form your theory that he's untouchable to Thanos?
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Yes, Surfer needs to turn off his reflexes to get hit. That is totally what was being said. I wonder how far that extends once you put Surfer against DC characters...Surfer employs the board behind the back trick... so... the big ace in the hole is Surfer losing all his speed to use an attack that can't actually do much damage to Thanos. Very good tactics. He might not use it but I keep bringing it up while ignoring what it actually means.
Full capacity Surfer vs no capacity Thanos. Surfer angry cheapshotting Thanos makes Thanos with no shielding react without pain.
We must go by the fights but also must ignore the fights completely because Surfer can't get hit by Thanos as indicated by the times he got hit by Thanos and Thanos reacting to faster or similar speeds.
Why did you even pretend you agreed with anything I said? You obviously don't and never have went by comics, let alone context heavy events. You should just post those power scaling wikis instead of pretending you have a basis.
But can you tell me what Surfer fights you're using to form your theory that he's untouchable to Thanos?
I didnt say nor imply that Thanos can't defend himself against fast attacks or from the Surfer. My argument was solely about Surfer getting hit. That doesn't mean Thanos will never get hit though.
Thanos can't see the board coming from behind, especially when he is occupied by 1-3 beings. If the argument is that the board hitting him from behind will do insignificant damage then argue that only. I'll debate that with you.
Thanos has absolutely no feats of reacting to light speed attacks. He has reacted to fast attacks though and telegraped attacks. So he does possess some level of superhuman speed and reactions. Energy beams aren't light speed by default, especially the fluffy kind.
If Surfer points his hand at a reasonable speed and blasts then yes Thanos can shield himself. That's because Surfer Telegraphed. Surfer can fly around Thanos at FTL speeds (Deathurge) while blasting and avoiding Thanos attacks.Or Thanos WHILE Thanos is being hit with blasts he can get a shield up.
Note: I never use Surfer doing anything he hasn't shown in a comic. My basis is comic feats, not power set. So you are clearly wrong on that front.
Originally posted by h1a8yeah ignored it because you’re a phucking idiot. So surfer who knows what Thanos is all about and the death and destruction he’s caused through the years to the universe along with surfer himself along with seeing the Annihilators laid defeated hits when with a causal blast inferior to when he gave everything. You’re a retarded troll.
You must have missed my post above relating the event you gave with the word CASUAL.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
yeah ignored it because you’re a phucking idiot. So surfer who knows what Thanos is all about and the death and destruction he’s caused through the years to the universe along with surfer himself along with seeing the Annihilators laid defeated hits when with a causal blast inferior to when he gave everything. You’re a retarded troll.
Yup that is comic logic. You can clearly see Surfer holding back while still slightly affecting Thanos
Also, you know that Thanos doesn't always have bad intentions (Surfer knows this) so that is why he was asking questions.