Thanos vs Thor, Silver Surfer & Hulk

Started by Insane Titan12 pages

Originally posted by h1a8
Yup that is comic logic. You can clearly see Surfer holding back while still slightly affecting Thanos

Also, you know that Thanos doesn't always have bad intentions (Surfer knows this) so that is why he was asking questions.

you’re a lying sack of shit. You don’t see him holding back at all, he even says about stopping Thanos. His attack has no affect on Thanos lol.

You’re just making up excuses you sad troll. Surfer can see all his team mates beaten on the floor. You have nothing other than lias.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
you’re a lying sack of shit. You don’t see him holding back at all, he even says about stopping Thanos. His attack has no affect on Thanos lol.

You’re just making up excuses you sad troll. Surfer can see all his team mates beaten on the floor. You have nothing other than lias.

Casual blast (probably 30-50% of his might). One handed blast instead of two handed. No strain in the Surfer's face.
Surfer asking questions in a relaxed state while blasting (clearly a sign of holding back).

Anyone and their momma can see Surfer not going all out there.

Also Thanos was slightly jarred from the blast as you see his facial expression and his knees buckling. Little to no visual damage was done though

Originally posted by h1a8
Casual blast (probably 30-50% of his might). One handed blast instead of two handed. No strain in the Surfer's face.
Surfer asking questions in a relaxed state while blasting (clearly a sign of holding back).

Anyone and their momma can see Surfer not going all out there.

Also Thanos was slightly jarred from the blast as you see his facial expression and his knees buckling. Little to no visual damage was done though

😂 you’re a idiot plain and simple, just phuck off somewhere else with your lies.

Surfer holds back after seeing all his team mates defeated with his greatest foe just haven beaten the crap out of Bill and Ronan! Moron.

Originally posted by h1a8
The only tactics I gave for Surfer were using speed/reflexes and the board from behind trick. You stated that I'm making Surfer do things he won't here. Therefore the logical conclusion is that Surfer will not use his reflexes and speed to not get hit or him using the board from behind trick.

I didnt say nor imply that Thanos can't defend himself against fast attacks or from the Surfer. My argument was solely about Surfer getting hit. That doesn't mean Thanos will never get hit though.

Thanos can't see the board coming from behind, especially when he is occupied by 1-3 beings. If the argument is that the board hitting him from behind will do insignificant damage then argue that only. I'll debate that with you.

Thanos has absolutely no feats of reacting to light speed attacks. He has reacted to fast attacks though and telegraped attacks. So he does possess some level of superhuman speed and reactions. Energy beams aren't light speed by default, especially the fluffy kind.

If Surfer points his hand at a reasonable speed and blasts then yes Thanos can shield himself. That's because Surfer Telegraphed. Surfer can fly around Thanos at FTL speeds (Deathurge) while blasting and avoiding Thanos attacks.Or Thanos WHILE Thanos is being hit with blasts he can get a shield up.

Note: I never use Surfer doing anything he hasn't shown in a comic. My basis is comic feats, not power set. So you are clearly wrong on that front.

No, I stated that you didn't understand a word I said and then changed goalposts from your retarded conversation about holding back and deflecting to different showings. Surfer never even showed a millionth of his Ravenous power for example. Though the implication of Surfer being a million times stronger and barely being able to damage Thanos per your concession is funny, it's still coming from a retarded angle.
It's not that speed and reflexes are foreign, it's that you think they're smart and you think you're doing some sort of Darksaint tier loophole to continue arguing that Surfer beats Thanos or whatever you're saying. I don't have the patience to read this entire conversation, but I doubt you were talking about this before. If you were, then it doesn't change anything because it's still coming from a faulty viewpoint.

You strawmanning me doesn't mean I said Surfer doesn't use his speed. It's a you situation not the character. Surfer can use all the speed he wants, but the only good it ever does is letting him throw an ineffectual blast from another angle, or it allows him to react to someone so he can go h2h with them. Nobody is ignoring powersets, they're just questioning why your characters use them so efficiently and without drawbacks. Surfer wants to do some loops around the place and delay the inevitable, sure. He's really "fast." But the difference between Flash and Surfer is that Surfer's speed never affects the outcome, nor does he actually fight in a way you would consider smart. Surfer is - usually - powerful enough to fight opponents and it's entirely in character to try to fight in raw power against opponents in mostly physical fights. If Surfer is relying on pure speed then he's usually not powerful enough to do anything, and then gets tagged anyway.
How this would go in comics is Surfer throws some blasts, avoids some blasts, maybe does a bullrush and gets swatted out of the air.
How this goes on the forum is Surfer throws some blasts, avoids some blasts, lets Thor and Hulk get finished and then loses once he gets tagged. Either by the tag itself, or by the follow up. Maybe Surfer keeps his range and avoids all the blasts and tries to finish Thanos from there. Oops he drained himself.

Thanos can't see the board coming at him from behind but he can see a boardless Surfer presumably in front of him that just made his board take a wide arc without him. It would be really good if the character you're arguing can't be hit was now stationary and defenseless. I like how you doubled down on this while still maintaining that Thanos can't hit him. I don't think you understand you're basically throwing away your entire strategy. Thanos can't react to Surfer and Surfer can chip away at him, Surfer throws his board away.

It won't. Show the damage Surfer does with it. While you're on the subject of Ravenous and tanking planetary attacks from a million times Surfer, you should check to see what Ronan did to Ravenous under the same writer in the same series 4-5 months later. Then check what happened to Thanos when Ronan tried the same trick. Or Black Dwarf who beat up someone who was far stronger than Ravenous, who... tanked an attack that was a million times stronger than anything Surfer did prior.

He does. If he can react to Fallen One he can react to Surfer. If he can react to Surfer he can react to Surfer. And things travel faster in a straight line than the detours Surfer takes. Surfer flying around blasting beams is going to get swatted out of mid air, run into a shield, get teleported away or just be a pesky mosquito. Surfer's strongest attacks are when he's actually focusing his effort into it, and as shown in your Deathurge example, he couldn't even damage Deathurge and got tagged by him. In fact he stopped moving faster than light specifically to end the fight so he could get one shotted. Blitzes with punches work because he can put thousands of them into it at varying angles and it keeps the opponent off balance. Blasts are either continuous or one every so often. Surfer is not going to fire thousands of blasts with each a level required to inflict damage on Thanos in an eye blink. He'll be firing from random angles every so often with intensity barely enough to move Thanos if he didn't have a shield.
He's a pest at best. Thor gets taken care of, Hulk gets blasted into submission or keeps getting punched away until finished and then what? Surfer just throws his board away to hit him in the neck? Surfer never goes h2h with him? Surfer never runs out of energy? Even if you lend credence to Surfer's infallible dodging abilities his power isn't enough to make a difference and your big offensive strategy has him entirely losing his speed for a couple seconds.

You are entirely a powerset debater. Tell me again what a great battle Surfer vs Thanos is with only using one of Surfer's showings please.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
No, I stated that you didn't understand a word I said and then changed goalposts from your retarded conversation about holding back and deflecting to different showings. Surfer never even showed a millionth of his Ravenous power for example. Though the implication of Surfer being a million times stronger and barely being able to damage Thanos per your concession is funny, it's still coming from a retarded angle.
It's not that speed and reflexes are foreign, it's that you think they're smart and you think you're doing some sort of Darksaint tier loophole to continue arguing that Surfer beats Thanos or whatever you're saying. I don't have the patience to read this entire conversation, but I doubt you were talking about this before. If you were, then it doesn't change anything because it's still coming from a faulty viewpoint.

You strawmanning me doesn't mean I said Surfer doesn't use his speed. It's a you situation not the character. Surfer can use all the speed he wants, but the only good it ever does is letting him throw an ineffectual blast from another angle, or it allows him to react to someone so he can go h2h with them. Nobody is ignoring powersets, they're just questioning why your characters use them so efficiently and without drawbacks. Surfer wants to do some loops around the place and delay the inevitable, sure. He's really "fast." But the difference between Flash and Surfer is that Surfer's speed never affects the outcome, nor does he actually fight in a way you would consider smart. Surfer is - usually - powerful enough to fight opponents and it's entirely in character to try to fight in raw power against opponents in mostly physical fights. If Surfer is relying on pure speed then he's usually not powerful enough to do anything, and then gets tagged anyway.
How this would go in comics is Surfer throws some blasts, avoids some blasts, maybe does a bullrush and gets swatted out of the air.
How this goes on the forum is Surfer throws some blasts, avoids some blasts, lets Thor and Hulk get finished and then loses once he gets tagged. Either by the tag itself, or by the follow up. Maybe Surfer keeps his range and avoids all the blasts and tries to finish Thanos from there. Oops he drained himself.

Thanos can't see the board coming at him from behind but he can see a boardless Surfer presumably in front of him that just made his board take a wide arc without him. It would be really good if the character you're arguing can't be hit was now stationary and defenseless. I like how you doubled down on this while still maintaining that Thanos can't hit him. I don't think you understand you're basically throwing away your entire strategy. Thanos can't react to Surfer and Surfer can chip away at him, Surfer throws his board away.

It won't. Show the damage Surfer does with it. While you're on the subject of Ravenous and tanking planetary attacks from a million times Surfer, you should check to see what Ronan did to Ravenous under the same writer in the same series 4-5 months later. Then check what happened to Thanos when Ronan tried the same trick. Or Black Dwarf who beat up someone who was far stronger than Ravenous, who... tanked an attack that was a million times stronger than anything Surfer did prior.

He does. If he can react to Fallen One he can react to Surfer. If he can react to Surfer he can react to Surfer. And things travel faster in a straight line than the detours Surfer takes. Surfer flying around blasting beams is going to get swatted out of mid air, run into a shield, get teleported away or just be a pesky mosquito. Surfer's strongest attacks are when he's actually focusing his effort into it, and as shown in your Deathurge example, he couldn't even damage Deathurge and got tagged by him. In fact he stopped moving faster than light specifically to end the fight so he could get one shotted. Blitzes with punches work because he can put thousands of them into it at varying angles and it keeps the opponent off balance. Blasts are either continuous or one every so often. Surfer is not going to fire thousands of blasts with each a level required to inflict damage on Thanos in an eye blink. He'll be firing from random angles every so often with intensity barely enough to move Thanos if he didn't have a shield.
He's a pest at best. Thor gets taken care of, Hulk gets blasted into submission or keeps getting punched away until finished and then what? Surfer just throws his board away to hit him in the neck? Surfer never goes h2h with him? Surfer never runs out of energy? Even if you lend credence to Surfer's infallible dodging abilities his power isn't enough to make a difference and your big offensive strategy has him entirely losing his speed for a couple seconds.

You are entirely a powerset debater. Tell me again what a great battle Surfer vs Thanos is with only using one of Surfer's showings please.

This is where we disagree. You believe Surfer's blasts will do nothing.
I believe they will damage Thanos significantly if he's in that Ravenous level of power. Now you can argue that Surfer won't be in Ravenous power level in a forum and we will discuss from there.

Do I believe Thanos can tank a single blast that is capable of shattering a planet to pieces? Hell no. He would be seriously phucked up or greatly damaged. If you disagree then kindly provide quantifying feats that disprove this.

This is not Surfer vs Thanos. Thanos will be fighting Thor and Hulk too. They are powerful to distract Thanos.

Surfer is extremely smart. We have CIS which doesn't count against Surfer. Surfer knows how powerful Thanos is. He was nearly killed by Thanos fists before.

If Thanos shields up then Surfer waits him out.

Thor can absorb Thanos blasts and send them back 10 fold.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
No, I stated that you didn't understand a word I said and then changed goalposts from your retarded conversation about holding back and deflecting to different showings. Surfer never even showed a millionth of his Ravenous power for example. Though the implication of Surfer being a million times stronger and barely being able to damage Thanos per your concession is funny, it's still coming from a retarded angle.
It's not that speed and reflexes are foreign, it's that you think they're smart and you think you're doing some sort of Darksaint tier loophole to continue arguing that Surfer beats Thanos or whatever you're saying. I don't have the patience to read this entire conversation, but I doubt you were talking about this before. If you were, then it doesn't change anything because it's still coming from a faulty viewpoint.

You strawmanning me doesn't mean I said Surfer doesn't use his speed. It's a you situation not the character. Surfer can use all the speed he wants, but the only good it ever does is letting him throw an ineffectual blast from another angle, or it allows him to react to someone so he can go h2h with them. Nobody is ignoring powersets, they're just questioning why your characters use them so efficiently and without drawbacks. Surfer wants to do some loops around the place and delay the inevitable, sure. He's really "fast." But the difference between Flash and Surfer is that Surfer's speed never affects the outcome, nor does he actually fight in a way you would consider smart. Surfer is - usually - powerful enough to fight opponents and it's entirely in character to try to fight in raw power against opponents in mostly physical fights. If Surfer is relying on pure speed then he's usually not powerful enough to do anything, and then gets tagged anyway.
How this would go in comics is Surfer throws some blasts, avoids some blasts, maybe does a bullrush and gets swatted out of the air.
How this goes on the forum is Surfer throws some blasts, avoids some blasts, lets Thor and Hulk get finished and then loses once he gets tagged. Either by the tag itself, or by the follow up. Maybe Surfer keeps his range and avoids all the blasts and tries to finish Thanos from there. Oops he drained himself.

Thanos can't see the board coming at him from behind but he can see a boardless Surfer presumably in front of him that just made his board take a wide arc without him. It would be really good if the character you're arguing can't be hit was now stationary and defenseless. I like how you doubled down on this while still maintaining that Thanos can't hit him. I don't think you understand you're basically throwing away your entire strategy. Thanos can't react to Surfer and Surfer can chip away at him, Surfer throws his board away.

It won't. Show the damage Surfer does with it. While you're on the subject of Ravenous and tanking planetary attacks from a million times Surfer, you should check to see what Ronan did to Ravenous under the same writer in the same series 4-5 months later. Then check what happened to Thanos when Ronan tried the same trick. Or Black Dwarf who beat up someone who was far stronger than Ravenous, who... tanked an attack that was a million times stronger than anything Surfer did prior.

He does. If he can react to Fallen One he can react to Surfer. If he can react to Surfer he can react to Surfer. And things travel faster in a straight line than the detours Surfer takes. Surfer flying around blasting beams is going to get swatted out of mid air, run into a shield, get teleported away or just be a pesky mosquito. Surfer's strongest attacks are when he's actually focusing his effort into it, and as shown in your Deathurge example, he couldn't even damage Deathurge and got tagged by him. In fact he stopped moving faster than light specifically to end the fight so he could get one shotted. Blitzes with punches work because he can put thousands of them into it at varying angles and it keeps the opponent off balance. Blasts are either continuous or one every so often. Surfer is not going to fire thousands of blasts with each a level required to inflict damage on Thanos in an eye blink. He'll be firing from random angles every so often with intensity barely enough to move Thanos if he didn't have a shield.
He's a pest at best. Thor gets taken care of, Hulk gets blasted into submission or keeps getting punched away until finished and then what? Surfer just throws his board away to hit him in the neck? Surfer never goes h2h with him? Surfer never runs out of energy? Even if you lend credence to Surfer's infallible dodging abilities his power isn't enough to make a difference and your big offensive strategy has him entirely losing his speed for a couple seconds.

You are entirely a powerset debater. Tell me again what a great battle Surfer vs Thanos is with only using one of Surfer's showings please.

This is where we disagree. You believe Surfer's blasts will do nothing.
I believe they will damage Thanos significantly if he's in that Ravenous level of power. Now you can argue that Surfer won't be in Ravenous power level in a forum and we will discuss from there.

Do I believe Thanos can tank a single blast that is capable of shattering a planet to pieces? Hell no. He would be seriously phucked up or greatly damaged. If you disagree then kindly provide quantifying durability feats that disprove this.

This is not Surfer vs Thanos. Thanos will be fighting Thor and Hulk too. They are powerful to distract Thanos.

Surfer is extremely smart. We have CIS which doesn't count against Surfer. Surfer knows how powerful Thanos is. He was nearly killed by Thanos fists before.

If Thanos shields up then Surfer waits him out.

Thor can absorb Thanos blasts and send them back 10 fold.
Fallen one can't be proven to have reached Thanos in less than 0.1 second before Thanos reacted. Remember objects accelerate from 0. Anyone in comics can react to another chairs said character isn't moving very fast. So Thanos reacting to a particular character is absolutely meaningless.

If Surfer doesn't make the board hit Thanos with at least 100c then Surfer is extremely stupid. The board will have so much kinetic energy that it will impale Thanos or shatter his Shields instantly. Maybe I'm arguing power sets. Surfer has these abilities but will he choose to employ them? I would.

This is what I'll do
I'll just shield up and send the board away. Wait for Thanos to drop his shield to attack and hit Thanos with the board at million times c.
Or I would concentrate my planet busting power into a single beam WHEN Thanos has no shield and while while flying around really fast.

In other words, I could beat Thanos with Surfers power. Surfer is smarter than me though.

With that said.
If Surfer doesn't come into this fight at those levels I spoke of, his reactions are barely enough to avoid most but not all of Thanos attacks, and he doesn't try to hit Thanos with the board at million c or better then the team loses. I concede.

bran might get driven insane by h1's craziness

Did you even read my reply or any of the events mentioned... or Thanos' first appearance, anything Ravenous appeared in, or anything on Thanos for that matter?

Complete garbage as always. I'll accept your concession when you revert to wanking Ravenous to prove how powerful Surfer is. The only thing I specifically didn't mention was half dead Firelord seemingly one shotting Ravenous and Gladiator's weaker cousin Xenith being the one who almost killed Ravenous. Surfer's planetary attack did the least amount of damage to him.

How do you even begin to come to your conclusions? Galaxies are made of fluff, let me talk about Fallen One when Thanos only got his shirt more ripped from a gas giant exploding that was threatening to make the whole system uninhabitable in a cycle. Under the same writer that had Surfer destroy a planet and fail to damage Ravenous.

You're just throwing shit at a wall with zero understanding of the surrounding context or even what happened in the - very few - panels you might have seen.

You agree with me but also you don't agree with anything and you hate when people use high feats but Thanos can't take Surfer's planet destroying attacks that Surfer throws around while Thor and Hulk are fighting Thanos. No wait he concentrates it into a beam which is totally unlike arguing he used his full power against Thanos even if he didn't cause collateral damage. Also Ravenous can take getting sent to another solar system or possibly another galaxy and colliding with a planet and this board traveling slower than that has impeccable aim and timing that can cause an instant death to Thanos in what would be Surfer's most powerful board throw ever... because of the speed, not because of what Surfer has actually done. I debate what's in comics.

Almost everything you've initially claimed you built a foundation on has been a lie. I don't get how your interest hasn't piqued enough to even check out any of the comics from the character you hated for over a decade? You'd think you'd familiarize yourself with it a little, but you put in less effort than Carver knowing anything and more effort giving fingerguns and winks to your posts. Thanos vs Ravenous? Very even! Boy what a ****ing trap you laid out this time Covid-H1! How do you even know Ravenous' name if you clearly don't know a ****ing thing about him? 😂

I don't even know why you placed an arbitrary number in there with "0.1" because it's simply idiocy. I don't care about your numbers... you don't even know what they mean. Fallen One took off the exact same way everytime and was traveling across solar systems/beyond in short periods. He traveled faster than hyperdrives and across a distance Thanos' teleportation couldn't reach in a conversation from the end of the universe to an inhabited solar system. He gets pissed off and gets blocked by Thanos. The only times we see him take off is in the same panel he is already crossing vast stretches of space. Unless he gets billions of times faster in a couple seconds, he's faster than light at takeoff, or more importantly there's no reason Surfer is faster than him. There's no reason Surfer is faster than him more specifically at takeoff, and if Thanos can react to limitless Fallen One off the hop he can react to straightline Norrin who actually requires acceleration and in some cases a lot of it.

A million times c? Isn't that a slower speed than Gladiator traveled when he failed to knock out Heimdall who Thanos one-shotted casually? I'm impressed by those numbers. I'm more specifically impressed you tied those numbers to feats from Surfer traveling really fast too. Remember when he traveled 100 times c and he gained a bunch of kinetic energy and did that one thing? That was awesome! I liked when he lowered his speed to 2x C and then did that one thing where well.. Surfer probably running into anything knocked himself out with minimal damage to the target so I don't know the basis. If you find something to base Surfer's infinite mass off of and him ramming something chances are Thanos has destroyed more durable so Thanos > Surfer's infinite mass I guess. Glad we solved that conundrum.

Also Surfer gets one shotted waiting for Thanos to drop his shields while he sits there like a retard. Do you not understand that when you argue about speed you don't understand that you don't then have your character lay on the ground and wait for a snipe?
The board also misses Thanos and slams into Surfer by the way killing him with infinite mass. Surfer is very good at missing Thanos with high speed rams. Maybe a deflection into Hulk or Thor for that matter.

I don't get how you can say Surfer fights very smart and then you invent a tactic of 100 million c board throws when Surfer has used board throws with mixed results and has never achieved more than a stun on a Beta Ray Bill level character. You'd think he'd be taking out a lot more evil characters with this?

One punch, one blast, 2 blasts, 2 punches, etc. The level of power or tactics to beat Thor doesn't change. That same scenario had the clone utterly tank Thor's boast of tenfold power.
Thanos just walks up and punches Thor if he starts absorbing energy like he does all the time because he like Surfer is also very smart. Can't blast Thor.

I feel like you're just parroting retarded Surfer fans opinions at me tbh.

You know what, I don't really want to continue this. I think you're retarded and you're going to keep throwing scum at me. There's no consistency, knowledge, logic, basis, and you've resorted to wanking a character you know nothing about as evidence against Thanos. You should tell me how powerful Super Skrull is too and why Surfer fighting him makes him a scary customer for Thanos.

It'd be like Carver using Wonder Woman barely causing damage to Superman enemies as evidence that she's above Superman physically. He has done this, and it's really dumb, and he probably still does this though I'm not sure of any recent examples.

Gather around to hear of Surfer's unfettered power destroying planets and almost scratching Ravenous and why Ravenous is more durable than Thanos.

Like, all of Thanos' feats have been said to you I'm sure over the years. I'm pretty sure you've probably had all his feats shown to you, I mean enough monkeys with a typewriter will eventually recreate CDTM's suicide note, so that has to have happened, probably multiple times if you add them up. So you either likely have early onset dementia or some sort of learning disability that makes you incapable of understanding why a guy who fought a planet destroying Phoenix Force in a planet destroying fight is probably not going to have too much issues with the minimum requirements being planet destroying? Are you actually functionally retarded? Not a joke, serious question here. Why do you not recall... anything? I haven't read some of these comics for probably 4-5 years and I can still recall the important details off memory. I might have to look into more specific events like what Glad's cousins name is and locations, but I can still remember the fights and most of the context. You don't know anything, and all you do is argue against Thanos. Absolutely nothing. Why would you not even look at Ravenous' wiki before you used him as an example? It is very perplexing how you can't grasp anything.

But yeah, can't continue this. It's just too much. If someone else wants to raise some points even just to play Devil's advocate I'm ok with that, but I don't think I can read your posts anymore. No aptitude for advancement. I think you're probably as good of a debater and know as much as when you first came to the forum. 👆

Originally posted by h1a8
This is where we disagree. You believe Surfer's blasts will do nothing.
I believe they will damage Thanos significantly if he's in that Ravenous level of power. Now you can argue that Surfer won't be in Ravenous power level in a forum and we will discuss from there.

Do I believe Thanos can tank a single blast that is capable of shattering a planet to pieces? Hell no. He would be seriously phucked up or greatly damaged. If you disagree then kindly provide quantifying durability feats that disprove this.

This is not Surfer vs Thanos. Thanos will be fighting Thor and Hulk too. They are powerful to distract Thanos.

Surfer is extremely smart. We have CIS which doesn't count against Surfer. Surfer knows how powerful Thanos is. He was nearly killed by Thanos fists before.

If Thanos shields up then Surfer waits him out.

Thor can absorb Thanos blasts and send them back 10 fold.
Fallen one can't be proven to have reached Thanos in less than 0.1 second before Thanos reacted. Remember objects accelerate from 0. Anyone in comics can react to another chairs said character isn't moving very fast. So Thanos reacting to a particular character is absolutely meaningless.

If Surfer doesn't make the board hit Thanos with at least 100c then Surfer is extremely stupid. The board will have so much kinetic energy that it will impale Thanos or shatter his Shields instantly. Maybe I'm arguing power sets. Surfer has these abilities but will he choose to employ them? I would.

This is what I'll do
I'll just shield up and send the board away. Wait for Thanos to drop his shield to attack and hit Thanos with the board at million times c.
Or I would concentrate my planet busting power into a single beam WHEN Thanos has no shield and while while flying around really fast.

In other words, I could beat Thanos with Surfers power. Surfer is smarter than me though.

With that said.
If Surfer doesn't come into this fight at those levels I spoke of, his reactions are barely enough to avoid most but not all of Thanos attacks, and he doesn't try to hit Thanos with the board at million c or better then the team loses. I concede.

😂 easily the biggest pile of fan fiction shit I’ve ever read on this forum.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
you’re a lying sack of shit. You don’t see him holding back at all, he even says about stopping Thanos. His attack has no affect on Thanos lol.

You’re just making up excuses you sad troll. Surfer can see all his team mates beaten on the floor. You have nothing other than lias.

Casual blast (probably 20-40% of his might). One handed blast instead of two handed. No strain in the Surfer's face.
Surfer asking questions in a relaxed state while blasting (clearly a sign of holding back).

Anyone and their momma can see Surfer not going all out there.

Also Thanos was slightly jarred from the blast as you see his facial expression and his knees buckling. Little to no visual damage was done though

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Did you even read my reply or any of the events mentioned... or Thanos' first appearance, anything Ravenous appeared in, or anything on Thanos for that matter?
Tbh you post a lot and i have a hard time understanding what you write. Can you please be more direct in your points. Assume im retarded and don't see where you are going. Clearly state the rule or point you trying to make (as a rule).

Keep things simple. Less typing the better. Focus on one or two major points ar a time. Things are complex if two people are discussing multiple issues simultaneously.

With that said, ill address some stuff you wrote. I dont give other characters other characters feats UNLESS that character has a superior feat. In Thanos first appearance is millions of times less than experience an attack that causes (directly not indirectly) a planet to explode. That is why i didn't address those points (i did in reply to another poster actually)

Complete garbage as always. I'll accept your concession when you revert to wanking Ravenous to prove how powerful Surfer is. The only thing I specifically didn't mention was half dead Firelord seemingly one shotting Ravenous and Gladiator's weaker cousin Xenith being the one who almost killed Ravenous. Surfer's planetary attack did the least amount of damage to him.

How do you even begin to come to your conclusions? Galaxies are made of fluff, let me talk about Fallen One when Thanos only got his shirt more ripped from a gas giant exploding that was threatening to make the whole system uninhabitable in a cycle. Under the same writer that had Surfer destroy a planet and fail to damage Ravenous.

That feat is Ravenous alone. Again, characters don't get other characters feats. And characters operate at different levels in different scenes.

You agree with me but also you don't agree with anything and you hate when people use high feats but Thanos can't take Surfer's planet destroying attacks that Surfer throws around while Thor and Hulk are fighting Thanos. No wait he concentrates it into a beam which is totally unlike arguing he used his full power against Thanos even if he didn't cause collateral damage. Also Ravenous can take getting sent to another solar system or possibly another galaxy and colliding with a planet and this board traveling slower than that has impeccable aim and timing that can cause an instant death to Thanos in what would be Surfer's most powerful board throw ever... because of the speed, not because of what Surfer has actually done. I debate what's in comics.

My last part was fan fiction, not how Surfer will fight in a comic. It wasn't to be taken as a serious argument. You misjudge me. I asked others for quantifiable feats that Thanos can withstand an attack that can shatter a planet. No feats of that magnitude were given.

Almost everything you've initially claimed you built a foundation on has been a lie. I don't get how your interest hasn't piqued enough to even check out any of the comics from the character you hated for over a decade? You'd think you'd familiarize yourself with it a little, but you put in less effort than Carver knowing anything and more effort giving fingerguns and winks to your posts. Thanos vs Ravenous? Very even! Boy what a ****ing trap you laid out this time Covid-H1! How do you even know Ravenous' name if you clearly don't know a ****ing thing about him? 😂

i know a lot about Thanos. Im just using a different standard of logic than you are. Characters dont share feats unless they have a superior one. That means Ravenous feat only belong to him. Regardless of what happens afterwards (fluctuations of power levels). I don't use abc logic to give characters others feats.

I don't even know why you placed an arbitrary number in there with "0.1" because it's simply idiocy. I don't care about your numbers... you don't even know what they mean. Fallen One took off the exact same way everytime and was traveling across solar systems/beyond in short periods. He traveled faster than hyperdrives and across a distance Thanos' teleportation couldn't reach in a conversation from the end of the universe to an inhabited solar system. He gets pissed off and gets blocked by Thanos. The only times we see him take off is in the same panel he is already crossing vast stretches of space. Unless he gets billions of times faster in a couple seconds, he's faster than light at takeoff, or more importantly there's no reason Surfer is faster than him. There's no reason Surfer is faster than him more specifically at takeoff, and if Thanos can react to limitless Fallen One off the hop he can react to straightline Norrin who actually requires acceleration and in some cases a lot of it.

The arbitrary number is to make a point. Yiu can insert any number X instead and the point is the same. You made the claim that the feat proves Thanos has x reflexes then you must prove he reacted in less than y time.

We can make it simple. Ill do the calculations. Provide a time from take off to which Fallen One has traveled X distance. Ill calculate the acceleration and then the time it takes for Fallen one to travel to Thanos from where he was. This is assuming Fallen One was accelerating in full.

A million times c? Isn't that a slower speed than Gladiator traveled when he failed to knock out Heimdall who Thanos one-shotted casually? I'm impressed by those numbers. I'm more specifically impressed you tied those numbers to feats from Surfer traveling really fast too. Remember when he traveled 100 times c and he gained a bunch of kinetic energy and did that one thing? That was awesome! I liked when he lowered his speed to 2x C and then did that one thing where well.. Surfer probably running into anything knocked himself out with minimal damage to the target so I don't know the basis. If you find something to base Surfer's infinite mass off of and him ramming something chances are Thanos has destroyed more durable so Thanos > Surfer's infinite mass I guess. Glad we solved that conundrum.

Reactions is about time, not speed. How long did it take Gladiator to reach Heimdall? We see Heimdall see him coming when he says, "No". Did Gladiator slow down as he got closer? It makes sense that he did since Heimdall didn't go anywhere after being hit and Gladiator suddenly stopped on a dime?

Again abc logic is faulty due to variations in level from scene to scene. You know where i got that logic from? I got it from you. You basically tried to downplay the OE by giving showings where characters tanked it.

Also Surfer gets one shotted waiting for Thanos to drop his shields while he sits there like a retard. Do you not understand that when you argue about speed you don't understand that you don't then have your character lay on the ground and wait for a snipe?
The board also misses Thanos and slams into Surfer by the way killing him with infinite mass. Surfer is very good at missing Thanos with high speed rams. Maybe a deflection into Hulk or Thor for that matter.

Thanos cant attack and shield up simultaneously. So yes Surfer can wait in one spot safely. Also Surfer has shields too.

I don't get how you can say Surfer fights very smart and then you invent a tactic of 100 million c board throws when Surfer has used board throws with mixed results and has never achieved more than a stun on a Beta Ray Bill level character. You'd think he'd be taking out a lot more evil characters with this?

Fan fict i said. Wasnt a serious argument. It is what ill do. I just nudged on the fact that Surfer is smarter than me. Characters dont share feats. Brb bills feat is his alone unless Thanos has one superior.

One punch, one blast, 2 blasts, 2 punches, etc. The level of power or tactics to beat Thor doesn't change. That same scenario had the clone utterly tank Thor's boast of tenfold power.
Thanos just walks up and punches Thor if he starts absorbing energy like he does all the time because he like Surfer is also very smart. Can't blast Thor.

Thanos doesn't get his clones feats. [b] [QUOTE]

I feel like you're just parroting retarded Surfer fans opinions at me tbh.

Originally posted by h1a8
Casual blast (probably 20-40% of his might). One handed blast instead of two handed. No strain in the Surfer's face.
Surfer asking questions in a relaxed state while blasting (clearly a sign of holding back).

Anyone and their momma can see Surfer not going all out there.

Also Thanos was slightly jarred from the blast as you see his facial expression and his knees buckling. Little to no visual damage was done though

let’s see you prove them numbers. Surfer blasted Thanos with one hand in rebirth of Thanos claiming he gave it everything he had so your point is moot. The only idiot who thinks it is you.

Surfer again blasts Thanos with one hand in cosmic powers unlimited which Thanos casually blocks with one hand. This is after Thanos tells surfer he’s going to kill him(which he does) I goes surfer held back then right ?

😂 he wasn’t Jared in the slightest You desperate clown.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
😂 easily the biggest pile of fan fiction shit I’ve ever read on this forum.

The last part was fan fiction.

But the truth of the matter thia fact depends on certain things.

1. Will Surfer bring planet busting levels to the fight?
2. Will Surfer have ftl perceptions at all times in the fight?

If no the Thanos wins. If yes to both then Surfer beats Thanos.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
let’s see you prove them numbers. Surfer blasted Thanos with one hand in rebirth of Thanos claiming he gave it everything he had so your point is moot. The only idiot who thinks it is you.

Surfer again blasts Thanos with one hand in cosmic powers unlimited which Thanos casually blocks with one hand. This is after Thanos tells surfer he’s going to kill him(which he does) I goes surfer held back then right ?

😂 he wasn’t Jared in the slightest You desperate clown.

Its a combination thing. You have them all together. One hand, no facial strain, asking questions calmly.

Thanos can easily block Surfer's straight up blasts. Surfee must telegraph with his hands. I stated this. Things are different is Surfer ia flying around Thanos at different angles.

Surfer is above planetary. This is a person that create sun's and black holes.

Originally posted by h1a8
Its a combination thing. You have them all together. One hand, no facial strain, asking questions calmly.

Thanos can easily block Surfer's straight up blasts. Surfee must telegraph with his hands. I stated this. Things are different is Surfer ia flying around Thanos at different angles.

Every instance I’ve named is a single handed blast even the ones with Surfer giving it everything. All you can do is lie. Cosmic powers unlimited Thanos blasts Surfer telling him he’s going to kill him, Surfer blasts back in anger fighting for his life.You’re really trying say surfer is holding back 😂 Thanos blocks the blast not because he reads it but because Surfer doesn’t have the power to hurt Thanos as shown on panel several times. Comic proof>>>>>>>>your retarded opinion.

Originally posted by h1a8
The last part was fan fiction.

But the truth of the matter thia fact depends on certain things.

1. Will Surfer bring planet busting levels to the fight?
2. Will Surfer have ftl perceptions at all times in the fight?

If no the Thanos wins. If yes to both then Surfer beats Thanos.


1. Irrelevant as it won’t bring down Thanos
2. Irrelevant again as Surfer doesn’t have to power to put down Thanos.

The retarded thing you do is give surfer a forum powerset using high feats only , then the same applies to Thanos. So if that’s the case , Thanos combat feats ie fights , durability and soak shut all over surfers

Originally posted by Insane Titan
1. Irrelevant as it won’t bring down Thanos
2. Irrelevant again as Surfer doesn’t have to power to put down Thanos.

The retarded thing you do is give surfer a forum powerset using high feats only , then the same applies to Thanos. So if that’s the case , Thanos combat feats ie fights , durability and soak shut all over surfers

When you can prove that Thanos can tank a blast that can shatter a planet then if part of the argument remains true.

He tanked 6-7 that killed Celestials and broke planets in half.

Surfer could even put Ravenous down with his “planet busting” power.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
He tanked 6-7 that killed Celestials and broke planets in half.

Surfer could even put Ravenous down with his “planet busting” power.

Said blasts were striking the planet and only creating small craters.

Blasts capable of shattering planets failed to actually shatter a planet.