Headbutt challenge: Superman vs. Captain Marvel

Originally posted by FrothByte
And again, you prove how little you know about jumping, which is why I don't believe you when you say you actually studied this. Some people power their jumps from their heels and only follow through with their toes at the very end. Some people start their jump with their weight already on the balls of their feet. Some people lean forward more, engaging quads more, some people lean back more, engaging glutes more.

People who are more flexible and limber are able to drop into lower squats or open their legs more in preparation for a jump.

Also just like any explosive athletic activity, the effectiveness of the movement depends a lot on how well you coordinate your muscles to work together to accomplish the maneuver. Thinking that anyone that can do a heavy squat can immediately jump high without ever practicing how to jump high is just plain ignorant on your part.

Wrong! You are making shit up. All normal people jump the same way. Who are you trying to fool? Lifting from the squat they come off the balls of their feet. Even if you varied a little like a retard (why would you?) you will not produce a difference greater than 10%.
To think so is asinine.

Again you are changing the goal posts. You are proving a difference when I'm telling you that the difference is smaller than 10%.

You have no idea about Correlation and statistics at all. A strong correlation with significance IS PROOF.

Watch I bet your next post tries to prove a difference vs a difference more than 10%.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Oh, so some concrete is strong enough to halt the momentum of a leviathan weighing thousands of tons... From what world do you come from, because it's not Earth.

As FrothByte said, Thanos is stronger than Hulk and that's that.

Not only that but as he said, the concrete was pushed up behind him, meaning it was already broken and not attached to the rest of the ground meaning that the only force the concrete was able to help the Hulk with was however much it actually weighed. 😂

Originally posted by Psychotron

As FrothByte said, Thanos is stronger than Hulk and that's that.

No you cant attribute every physical ability of Hulk to Thanos just because Thanos beat him in a punch up.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
No you cant attribute every physical ability of Hulk to Thanos just because Thanos beat him in a punch up.

Maybe not everything, but majority of them should be transferable since Thanos has proven that he's stronger, more durable and a better fighter than Hulk. The only feats I wouldn't transfer to Thanos would be Hulk's animal-like nimbleness and athleticism.

But seeing as this is a static headbutt challenge, I'm pretty sure the ones that matter are already covered.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1)You're making some false assumptions. Firstly, I never claimed Thor is as strong as Hulk, therefore I don't expect Thor to leap the same distances as Hulk. However, we do have feats of Thor leaping about, far above what the likes of Spiderman can achieve and we already know that Spiderman has a good deal of superstrength.

2)What this means is that Thor's superstrength is indeed seen in his jumping prowess. Not to the same degree as Hulk because he's not as strong as Hulk.

3)Furthermore, if you recall, the one time Thor tried to match his strength directly against Hulk he did indeed fold, back when he tried to block Hulk's overhand smash in their first fight. Since then we never saw Thor try to match Hulk's strength directly. He hurt Hulk by outfighting him and outmaneuvering him. If he ever tried to get into a shoving match against Hulk, I fully expect him to fold, with legs the first one to give way.

1) Not sure what the point of this was in responding to my points, but okay.

2) Right okay, but again, are we assuming everyones leg strength and upper body strength is exactly proportional? Have you never seen guys whose upper body is built out but have chicken legs? And yes they do exist. Plenty of them. Do you not believe a kick boxer will develop more power in his legs than a boxer?

3)

https://youtu.be/SLD9xzJ4oeU

^ at the 2:00 - 2:02 mark. Not only does Thor not fold but he pushes Hulks arm upwards. He blocked with one hand. Then pushed up with both. Btw look carefully, his second hand isnt pushing upwards, as its grabbed the other side of Hulks arm.

So no Thor didnt completely fold like you are claiming Thanos would have. Now here is where you are claiming Thanos should have folded to Hulk if he had weaker legs than him:

https://youtu.be/kO5WPKT0690

^ At 0:43.

Notice Thanos has his back against a wall for support. Also notice hes grabbed Hulks wrists and twisting them back. The rest of the fight he just boxes him with punches.

So bearing in mind Thanos has much greater upper body strength than Thor. Plus hes obviously a much more skilled grappler and boxer than Hulk and possibly a superior combatant to Thor.. I really see no evidence here that his legs are of equal strength and power to the Hulks.

In fact theres little evidence Thanos legs are stronger than even Thors, let alone Hulks. And zero evidence Thanos can propel himself into the air to the extent that Hulk can.

Can someone please remind me what exactly this has to do with marvel and Superman headbutting each other? We have spent several pages arguing about whether Hulk or Thanos can jump further.

Originally posted by FrothByte

But seeing as this is a static headbutt challenge, I'm pretty sure the ones that matter are already covered.

Not actually talking about the head butt. This particular conversation is about (as far as im aware) transferring Hulks Sutur leap to Thanos which I dont believe would be correct use of power scaling.

Ahhhh hmmm. Well,I guess what? It depends on if you attribute that first hit to hulk's leap or his punch. Kinda depends on how they make the physics work. No idea. Y'all have fun with that. I'm out on this thread, nothing really to contribute

Thanos can jump pretty far when he needs to.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Not actually talking about the head butt. This particular conversation is about (as far as im aware) transferring Hulks Sutur leap to Thanos which I dont believe would be correct use of power scaling.

Hulk is taller than Thanos and might even possibly be heavier and denser. So I wouldn't immediately assume Thanos can jump like Hulk. That said, I'm pretty sure he can still jump a good amount due to his strength, as was already proven by the post above me.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Hulk is taller than Thanos and might even possibly be heavier and denser. So I wouldn't immediately assume Thanos can jump like Hulk. That said, I'm pretty sure he can still jump a good amount due to his strength, as was already proven by the post above me.

But do you believe that it is sound to transfer Hulk's ability to leap to Surtur to Thanos ability to headbutt?

Originally posted by h1a8
But do you believe that it is sound to transfer Hulk's ability to leap to Surtur to Thanos ability to headbutt?

Lol. Only an idiot would try to convert a jumping feat into a headbutt feat.

No, my stance is that Thanos is stronger than Hulk, which means he can replicate majority of Hulk's feats.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
1) Not sure what the point of this was in responding to my points, but okay.

2) Right okay, but again, are we assuming everyones leg strength and upper body strength is exactly proportional? Have you never seen guys whose upper body is built out but have chicken legs? And yes they do exist. Plenty of them. Do you not believe a kick boxer will develop more power in his legs than a boxer?

3)

https://youtu.be/SLD9xzJ4oeU

^ at the 2:00 - 2:02 mark. Not only does Thor not fold but he pushes Hulks arm upwards. He blocked with one hand. Then pushed up with both. Btw look carefully, his second hand isnt pushing upwards, as its grabbed the other side of Hulks arm.

So no Thor didnt completely fold like you are claiming Thanos would have. Now here is where you are claiming Thanos should have folded to Hulk if he had weaker legs than him:

https://youtu.be/kO5WPKT0690

^ At 0:43.

Notice Thanos has his back against a wall for support. Also notice hes grabbed Hulks wrists and twisting them back. The rest of the fight he just boxes him with punches.

So bearing in mind Thanos has much greater upper body strength than Thor. Plus hes obviously a much more skilled grappler and boxer than Hulk and possibly a superior combatant to Thor.. I really see no evidence here that his legs are of equal strength and power to the Hulks.

In fact theres little evidence Thanos legs are stronger than even Thors, let alone Hulks. And zero evidence Thanos can propel himself into the air to the extent that Hulk can.

1. Because I never claimed Thor can leap like Hulk, so not sure why you keep bringing that up.

2. Kickboxers can (and usually) develop stronger legs than boxers. That's why boxers will have a hard time overpowering kickboxers in a clinch. So not sure what your point here is.

3. Thor clearly folds under Hulk's blow as he recieved it @1:55. To claim otherwise is just plain false. If you don't like the word fold we can use buckle. Was he able to push out of it? Yes, once the momentum of Hulk's blow disappeared and Thor could now push with his entire body against only Hulk's arm. Thor clearly had the better leverage at that point.

4. Yes, Thanos had his back against the wall. Then you'll notice that he rose away from it and pushed Hulk back as he removed his arms. All this while Hulk had the better leverage.

As for Thanos's jumping prowess, I covered that in another reply. There are other factors to consider for jump height. Hulk is taller for one, and I have reason to believe Thanos is denser and heavier as well. That doesn't mean Thanos can't leap high, as he already demonstrated to do so. But having stronger legs doesn't always translate to being a higher jumper.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Lol. Only an idiot would try to convert a jumping feat into a headbutt feat.

No, my stance is that Thanos is stronger than Hulk, which means he can replicate majority of Hulk's feats.

I disagree that a stronger character automatically get all of a weaker characters feats. In movies you have inconsistencies everywhere. High and low showings. And you said yourself that you can't give someone striking feats based off their lifting feats. Since striking has many variables.

Just so you know, Thanos never overpowered Hulk's legs. He twisted his arms causing Hulk to go back slightly. Hulk wasn't using his leg strength at all. He was using arm strength to try to prevent Thanos from peeling his arms back.

With that said. WW's headbutt appeared far more powerful than Thanos headbutt. Here are the reasons:
1) It was far faster and created a visible shockwave of energy.
2) Superman was jarred from it as you see his eyes stay closed for an extended period of time. Namek punched Superman in the face without Superman missing a beat. Namek has a thousands of tons strength feat. Superman has insane durability feats.

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree that a stronger character automatically get all of a weaker characters feats. In movies you have inconsistencies everywhere. High and low showings. And you said yourself that you can't give someone striking feats based off their lifting feats. Since striking has many variables.

Just so you know, Thanos never overpowered Hulk's legs. He twisted his arms causing Hulk to go back slightly. Hulk wasn't using his leg strength at all. He was using arm strength to try to prevent Thanos from peeling his arms back.

With that said. WW's headbutt appeared far more powerful than Thanos headbutt. Here are the reasons:
1) It was far faster and created a visible shockwave of energy.
2) Superman was jarred from it as you see his eyes stay closed for an extended period of time. Namek punched Superman in the face without Superman missing a beat. Namek has a thousands of tons strength feat. Superman has insane durability feats.

Nobody said a stronger character automatically gets ALL of a weaker character's feats, because strength is not the only factor.

Namek also punched Superman in the chest, not the face. But to cut right to the chase let me ask you this: Do you honestly think Wonder Woman can hit stronger than Thanos?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Nobody said a stronger character automatically gets ALL of a weaker character's feats, because strength is not the only factor.

Namek also punched Superman in the chest, not the face. But to cut right to the chase let me ask you this: Do you honestly think Wonder Woman can hit stronger than Thanos?

Namek punched him in the face, not chest in that scene.
Ok so Hulk jumping has absolutely no bearing on Thanos ability to headbutt.

I believe that WW headbutts significantly harder than Thanos by what we seen.

Originally posted by h1a8
Namek punched him in the face, not chest in that scene.
Ok so Hulk jumping has absolutely no bearing on Thanos ability to headbutt.

I believe that WW headbutts significantly harder than Thanos by what we seen.

Nope. I rewatched the scene several times. Stop being so dishonest. Namek punched him in the chest.

I ask again: Do you think WW is stronger than Thanos?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Nope. I rewatched the scene several times. Stop being so dishonest. Namek punched him in the chest.

I ask again: Do you think WW is stronger than Thanos?

Character A being stronger than character B doesn't mean character A can headbutt harder than character B.

Thanos is stronger than WW but WW headbutts harder than Thanos.

Originally posted by h1a8
You are blind as phuck. He punched him in the face. Get your eyes checked.

Character A being stronger than character B doesn't mean character A can headbutt harder than character B.

Thanos is stronger than WW but WW headbutts harder than Thanos.

Sorry dude, he was punched in the chest. Period. That makes your entire argument hogwash.

Prove that WW can hit harder than Thanos.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Sorry dude, he was punched in the chest. Period. That makes your entire argument hogwash.

Prove that WW can hit harder than Thanos.

I said WW headbutts harder. Stop trolling me ok.
We see both headbutt in the movies. WWs headbutt appears visibly more powerful than Thanos.
WW headbutt is significantly faster and results in a shockwave that causes Superman eyes to close for a good moment.