Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
What a massive fallacy.Hulk swaying Surtur is a greater strength feat than any strength feat portrayed by JL Superman, regardless of how it happened.
Hulk's strength 》Superman. We debate based on movie feats, and Hulk's got the greater here.
But Hulk failed to move him using strength. Therefore Surtur was moved by Hulk's downward momentum (not strength).
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
By affecting the Earth's core, not by being gravity itself.A small Black Hole insignificant to the likes of the one Marvel went through. Keep up with the fallacies, meanwhile Marvel is beating Superman all over the place 👆
The core affects the magnetic field of the Earth, not gravity. The beam increased gravity by linking with the kryptonian ship over Metropolis.
A black hole is a black hole.
Originally posted by h1a8
But Hulk failed to move him using strength. Therefore Surtur was moved by Hulk's downward momentum (not strength).
Hulk hardly went down at all.
He leaped up then fell down (a tiny bit) and 2 handed punched Surtur.
So he moved him either via the momentum of his own leap, or via his punch, or a combination of both.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Uninjured Lois is an uninjured Lois
You'd have a point if we didn't see Superman, debris, the ship and everything else around them being sucked in. For whatever reason Lois wasn't affected, but Superman was and he overpowered it.
Edit: upon re-watching the scene it's clear that the singularity only pulled in things that were "touched" by the phantom zone. So Superman, the Kryptonians, the ship, and the debris hit by the gravity beam. Lois was in free fall, while everything else was being pulled in, because she hadn't interacted with the zone or its energies. Case closed.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ When Was Superman touched by the Phantom Zone? Also do we see the singularity pull on him?
He was standing under the gravity beam, remember? Also, he traveled through the Phantom Zone as a baby to get to the Earth. His ship had a phantom zone drive.
Yes, you can see its energies ripple across his face when he's trying to break free from it.
Originally posted by Psychotron
You'd have a point if we didn't see Superman, debris, the ship and everything else around them being sucked in. For whatever reason Lois wasn't affected, but Superman was and he overpowered it.Edit: upon re-watching the scene it's clear that the singularity only pulled in things that were "touched" by the phantom zone. So Superman, the Kryptonians, the ship, and the debris hit by the gravity beam. Lois was in free fall, while everything else was being pulled in, because she hadn't interacted with the zone or its energies. Case closed.
Since when do singularities pick and choose?
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Hulk hardly went down at all.He leaped up then fell down (a tiny bit) and 2 handed punched Surtur.
So he moved him either via the momentum of his own leap, or via his punch, or a combination of both.
Originally posted by h1a8
The following punches did absolutely nothing. Therefore it wasn't too much the strength involved but the momentum of Hulk.
No because Surtur was obviously braced for the following punches.
In any case ive already explained the momentum was from Hulks own leap.
Unless you beleive we could drop anything on Surtur and hed fall over like that.
Originally posted by Darth ThorHe wasn't shown to brace. Hulk punches were just that of an insect. And bracing doesn't make someone not move ANY distance (not even a millimeter).
No because Surtur was obviously braced for the following punches.In any case ive already explained the momentum was from Hulks own leap.
Unless you beleive we could drop anything on Surtur and hed fall over like that.
Originally posted by Silent MasterSilent are you serious with this argument? In other words, are you seriously downplaying the singularity because Lois wasn't injured? Or you just messing around?
Since the MCU stated they were able too, do you have a quote from the DCEU movie that states singularities can pick and choose what to affect?
Originally posted by Silent MasterSo you are serious. Good to know.
Two people were involved in the feat, either it counts for both or it doesn't count for either.
You know that nearly every feat can be discredited due to incorrect science principles by writers?
It was understood that Superman protected Lois from the effects with his body. Same thing happened in comics, Superman Shields everyone from a singularity with his hands. In movies, doing such things don't violate the suspension of disbelief.
You saw Superman straining and yelling to break free of the pull. You saw his face losing its physical integrity and on the verge of separating into pieces. That alone proves that there were insane pulling forces acting on Superman due to Superman's level of strength and durability.
Originally posted by h1a8
So you are serious. Good to know.You know that nearly every feat can be discredited due to incorrect science principles by writers?
It was understood that Superman protected Lois from the effects with his body. Same thing happened in comics, Superman Shields everyone from a singularity with his hands. In movies, doing such things don't violate the suspension of disbelief.
You saw Superman straining and yelling to break free of the pull. You saw his face losing its physical integrity. That alone proves that there were insane pulling forces acting on Superman due to Superman's level of strength and durability.
We can easily get a mod ruling, I'd love to see your argument for why feats that involve multiple people should only count for one of them.