Headbutt challenge: Superman vs. Captain Marvel

Originally posted by Silent Master
We can easily get a mod ruling, I'd love to see your argument for why feats that involve multiple people should only count for one of them.

So basically there was no great force acting on Superman although we see him straining and yelling against the pull (given Superman's level of strength) ? Although we see his face on the verge of losing its integrity (given Superman's level of durability)?

All because the suspension of disbelief doesn't cover a superhuman with fictional makeup to shield someone from the effects of this force?

You are the biggest troll on the site.

Originally posted by h1a8
So basically there was no great force acting on Superman although we see him straining and yelling against the pull (given Superman's level of strength) ? Although we see his face on the verge of losing its integrity (given Superman's level of durability)?

All because the suspension of disbelief doesn't cover a superhuman with fictional makeup to shield someone from the effects of this force?

You are the biggest troll on the site.

Both were subjected to the same force, so either it counts for both or it doesn't.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Both were subjected to the same force, so either it counts for both or it doesn't.

Both weren't subject to the same force. Superman shielded her with his body under the suspension of disbelief.
Otherwise that would make Lois astronomically more durable than Superman since she wasnt losing any physical integrity.

Both were subjected to the same force, so either it counts for both or it doesn't.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Both were subjected to the same force, so either it counts for both or it doesn't.

I stated that there were not subjected to the same force for the reasons I pointed out. You just basically ignored it without addressing what I said at all and restated that they were.

I'm done with it. You can troll someone else.

You don't get to decide what counts and what doesn't.

Originally posted by h1a8
But Hulk failed to move him using strength. Therefore Surtur was moved by Hulk's downward momentum (not strength).

Momentum produced by his body. Superman has no similar feat, ergo he loses.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Momentum produced by his body. Superman has no similar feat, ergo he loses.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Since when do singularities pick and choose?

Since when does a Phantom Zone exist?

Originally posted by Psychotron
Since when does a Phantom Zone exist?

Oh, then by all means provide the quote from the movie that states singularities pick and choose.

Originally posted by h1a8
Momentum falling =/= strength. It's was his legs than made the jump. Thanos can't jump like that. Therefore Hulk's legs are stronger than Thanos.

Lol, the distance travelled by Hulk is insignifcant to cause such momentum! Which means Hulk caused such momentum!

Thanos outpowered Hulk, which means he is just as strong or stronger, and CM was standing toe to toe with Thanos!

CM has the adv. against Clark.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Lol, the distance travelled by Hulk is insignifcant to cause such momentum! Which means Hulk caused such momentum!

Thanos outpowered Hulk, which means he is just as strong or stronger, and CM was standing toe to toe with Thanos!

CM has the adv. against Clark.

Hulk used his legs to create the momentum (along with gravity when he was falling). Hulk's legs are stronger than Thanos. Hulk's arms are weak as hell as they didn't budge Surtur. Thanos overpowered Hulk's arms, not his legs.

Lastly, characters operate at high and low. Gladiator busted a planet before. Doesn't mean that he's using planet busting power everytime he punches someone. You can't equate Hulk's best feats with all of his other showings. He operates at much lower levels most of the time. Therefore, overpowering Hulk when he is operating at a lower level does not mean that you are exerting the force of Hulk's greatest feat.

Superman lifted tectonic plates off scene and pulled against a singularity that was in the verge of breaking him into pieces.

H1 has a point, that as far as we know Thanos doesnt have the leg strength/power to propel himself at their same sort of speeds and heights that Hulk does.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
H1 has a point, that as far as we know Thanos doesnt have the leg strength/power to propel himself at their same sort of speeds and heights that Hulk does.

Or he just hasn't needed to yet. This was a common complaint about Thor before, about how if he was close to Hulk in strength, why does he never leapt about? This was fixed in Ragnarok when we do finally see him jumping around. Not quite to Hulk's extent but enough to know that he has some good leg strength.

Another explanation could be that Thanos is simply denser and heavier than Hulk.

Originally posted by FrothByte
One day you'll learn a little bit about fighting, then you'll realize how utterly ridiculous you sound.

Not to pile on here but he has a point. The concrete is like tissue paper to these guys so it breaking around them means very little. Imagine this, someone pushes you in the chest causing you to stumble and maybe fall backwards vs them headbutting you in the face. The headbutt might not knock you over but it is likely to cause more damage. That's what the two blows look like when compared side to side. WW's attack seemed to bother Clark much more than that shot from Nam which seemed to push him down but not really affect him

Originally posted by juggerman
Not to pile on here but he has a point. The concrete is like tissue paper to these guys so it breaking around them means very little. Imagine this, someone pushes you in the chest causing you to stumble and maybe fall backwards vs them headbutting you in the face. The headbutt might not knock you over but it is likely to cause more damage. That's what the two blows look like when compared side to side. WW's attack seemed to bother Clark much more than that shot from Nam which seemed to push him down but not really affect him

Yeah... I'm pretty sure Namek didn't just "push" Superman. Let's not pretend that Namek simply caused Superman to trip or something. Bottom line is, a punch that knocks you down is a more devastating punch than one that rocks your head back. But... adrenaline and the amount of threat also has something to do with it.

I've been punched in the face before and I was still able to continue moving without a hitch. In comparison, I had an ex-gf who slapped me and it took me a second or two to recover. Why? It wasn't because her slap was more painful than the punch. It was because

1. It took me completely by surprise and
2. Because she wasn't getting ready for another blow, and so my subconscious knew I could take my time because there was no continuous threat looming.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah... I'm pretty sure Namek didn't just "push" Superman. Let's not pretend that Namek simply caused Superman to trip or something. Bottom line is, a punch that knocks you down is a more devastating punch than one that rocks your head back. But... adrenaline and the amount of threat also has something to do with it.

I've been punched in the face before and I was still able to continue moving without a hitch. In comparison, I had an ex-gf who slapped me and it took me a second or two to recover. Why? It wasn't because her slap was more painful than the punch. It was because

1. It took me completely by surprise and
2. Because she wasn't getting ready for another blow, and so my subconscious knew I could take my time because there was no continuous threat looming.

I wasn't trying to say Nam-Ek didn't punch him, just that it didn't seem to bother him as much as WW did. And the punch didn't really knock him down as he was already down.

Most every shot from a Kryptonian to another sends them flying without much damage. But WW's shot did rock him. Maybe Nam's hit wasn't at full power but it's pretty clear to see the effects were different

Superman was mid fight both times so I don't think it's likely he wasn't expecting to get hit

Lois Kryptonian level durability confirmed

Originally posted by juggerman
I wasn't trying to say Nam-Ek didn't punch him, just that it didn't seem to bother him as much as WW did. And the punch didn't really knock him down as he was already down.

Most every shot from a Kryptonian to another sends them flying without much damage. But WW's shot did rock him. Maybe Nam's hit wasn't at full power but it's pretty clear to see the effects were different

Superman was mid fight both times so I don't think it's likely he wasn't expecting to get hit

Superman was fighting two opponents against Nam and Faora whereas he was only fighting WW and he had her locked in his grip. Pretty sure the first scenario would be a far more threatening position.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Superman was fighting two opponents against Nam and Faora whereas he was only fighting WW and he had her locked in his grip. Pretty sure the first scenario would be a far more threatening position.

He was fighting 4 opponents in Justice League. Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg and Wonder Woman. I won't add Batman as he showed up later. I think Faora and Nam were the bigger threats but I think he would be more expectant of a blow from an opponent standing right in front of his than in a melee with two people and he may not know when the next strike is coming from. Nam would more likely catch him by surprise than Diana in their respective scenarios