Originally posted by Psychotron
Superman was tanking hits when he was confused. Under forum rules Superman will be fighting at 100% so there's none of that here. He'll give them the Steppenwolf treatment, especially Thor with his big, dangerous-looking axe.
You still haven't proven that he can speedblitz them. As, I've proven, Carol does have Super-speed and reflexes.
Originally posted by h1a8
Reflexes is about TIME TO REACT. A human can react in 0.2 second. Speed is irrelevant. You can be moving at over 1000x speed of light towards the Sun and still be able to to react to avoid it. CM operated with more than a few seconds. Several seconds elaspe when you see her and the missile closing in on each other.Therefore the missile speed in relation to hers is almost 0.
Since she was moving forward then the missiles actual speed was very low.
Again, you have 0 comprenhension of science.
The sun is millions of km away! Your analogue is as faulty as your science!
You are trolling now h1, you have 0 prove of our arguments. Your opinion is invalid for debating.
Originally posted by FrothByte
The biggest question we should settle here is this: Are the combatants performing to the best of their abilities as backed up by their feats? In this case Superman and Flash start off by blitzing and maintain their speeds throughout the match while Thor and Captain Marvel immediately turn on their lightning and photon cloaks respectively throughout the entire fight.Strange in the meantime probably would have already set the time stone to time loop so they can keep repeating the same scenario again and again... assuming he's able to do so before getting blitzed and killed.
Or... do we treat them like they're fighting in character, like they regularly do in their movies?
All I know is, it's unfair to act like one team operates at 100% capability while limiting the other team to fighting in character.
The problem is not speed but perceptions, which is always on (not a choice). Superman and WW should ALWAYS view each member of the team as a statue. They will use at least the minimum speed required to avoid an attack (assuming they don't attack first).
Now Thor's lightning cloak is irrelevant to both Superman and WW because it has no feats damaging or even affecting beings that durable. Yes, lightning does not bypass durability. In other words, super durable objects and beings are highly resistant against lightning by default. CM's force field is only capable of withstanding forces shown. Anything more will bypass them and affect her.
Strange does not get prep before the fight. He can't make any actions with the time stone before the bell rings. He will be a statue and be oneshotted before making an action.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Again, you have 0 comprenhension of science.The sun is millions of km away! Your analogue is as faulty as your science!
You are trolling now h1, you have 0 prove of our arguments. Your opinion is invalid for debating.
Originally posted by h1a8
Sun is far away? Exactly! That's why speed alone is irrelevant. It's about TIME. CM never had to react in less than 0.2 seconds ever. She was shown reacting in seconds towards the missiles. Therefore she doesn't have superhuman level reactions.
Being pushed by an object moving at Mach 20 will have your sight blurred!
Furthermore, the coordination required to hit similar object that are closely following by (The sun is 1000s of km away) is beyond human.
You are just desperate right now. Superman loses, wave the white flag already.
Originally posted by Psychotron
He blitzed Diana.
He kept up with Flash.
He blitzed Steppenwolf.
Meanwhile, Carol was unable to out-speed Thanos.It's that simple. Deal with it.
And, who said that Thanos doesn't have super-reflexes?
And being faster doesn't mean he can put them down. Carol is by far more durable than your Kryptonian boy.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
And, who said that Thanos doesn't have super-reflexes?And being faster doesn't mean he can put them down. Carol is by far more durable than your Kryptonian boy.
Feel free to post any scenes of Thanos fighting in super speed in IW or Endgame. I'll wait.
Yeah, it does. Superman is stronger than her by feats and far faster. Do you really think she can tank the hundreds of punches Superman can land in the time it takes for her to react? If you do, you are a fanboy.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Feel free to post any scenes of Thanos fighting in super speed in IW or Endgame. I'll wait.Yeah, it does. Superman is stronger than her by feats and far faster. Do you really think she can tank the hundreds of punches Superman can land in the time it takes for her to react? If you do, you are a fanboy.
What part of guys like Thor, Cap, and others blocking bullets, energy attacks and other fast attacks is it so hard for you to understand?
These lads are OBVIOUSLY super in terms of reflexes!
And sure, Thanos doesn't fly nor travel at high speeds, but Carol certainly does.
Now, Carol not obliterating Thanos can easily be attributed to plot.
As you have claimed, we should take these characters at their peak, ergo, we take the high end feats, not the low ones.
In that aspect, Carol beats the guy in the red and blue.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Let it go bro, Superman is significantly faster than anybody in MCU except Quicksilver as far as actual combat speed goes.Marvel is above him though in a few categories
Cap,Thor,and Strange can beat the JL with Supes on it a few times imo though.
If Superman wanted to he could go into light speed and freeze them all and snap there necks.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
What part of guys like Thor, Cap, and others blocking bullets, energy attacks and other fast attacks is it so hard for you to understand?These lads are OBVIOUSLY super in terms of reflexes!
And sure, Thanos doesn't fly nor travel at high speeds, but Carol certainly does.
Now, Carol not obliterating Thanos can easily be attributed to plot.
As you have claimed, we should take these characters at their peak, ergo, we take the high end feats, not the low ones.
In that aspect, Carol beats the guy in the red and blue.
What part of Diana is a legit bullet timer and she's still a statue to Superman and Flash do YOU not understand? Thor and Cap have good reflexes, but they're not on Diana's level, and certainly not on Superman's.
I don't care how fast Carol can fly. This is about combat speed, not a race. Usain Bolt is the fastest runner on Earth but he doesn't have the reflexes and hand speed of a pro boxer for example.
Or, you know, her not being fast enough. She saw Thanos reaching for the power stone but she didn't do anything about it. Why? Because she's not fast enough.
Carol's peak is Endgame and she wasn't fast enough there. You keep claiming otherwise but you haven't offered a single combat feat to back your stance.
Not according to feats.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
If Superman wanted to he could go into light speed and freeze them all and snap there necks.
Especially since neck snapping is fully in character for him. He could also just take Stormbreaker from Thor, like Thanos did, and slaughter them all.
Originally posted by Psychotron
What part of Diana is a legit bullet timer and she's still a statue to Superman and Flash do YOU not understand? Thor and Cap have good reflexes, but they're not on Diana's level, and certainly not on Superman's.I don't care how fast Carol can fly. This is about combat speed, not a race. Usain Bolt is the fastest runner on Earth but he doesn't have the reflexes and hand speed of a pro boxer for example.
Or, you know, her not being fast enough. She saw Thanos reaching for the power stone but she didn't do anything about it. Why? Because she's not fast enough.
Carol's peak is Endgame and she wasn't fast enough there. You keep claiming otherwise but you haven't offered a single combat feat to back your stance.
Not according to feats.
Especially since neck snapping is fully in character for him. He could also just take Stormbreaker from Thor, like Thanos did, and slaughter them all.
And despite all your efforts, you still fail to realize that Superman doesn't have the feats to put any of them down.
Carol was withstanding Black Hole forces, Thor was taking blast of a Neutron Star.
In any case, Superman is a superfast baby fighting behemoths. He will eventually tire of his useless attacks, and be obliterated by much stronger, much poweful beings.
And even if that fails, Strange can easily create a time loop, giving the ultimate win for the MCU.
The delusion of the DCEU fanbase is to fail to realize that their dying universe has long time be outmatched by the MCU.
Sure, DCEU might have the "reflexes" adv. But MCU has all the rest of feats
/thread.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
And despite all your efforts, you still fail to realize that Superman doesn't have the feats to put any of them down.Carol was withstanding Black Hole forces, Thor was taking blast of a Neutron Star.
In any case, Superman is a superfast baby fighting behemoths. He will eventually tire of his useless attacks, and be obliterated by much stronger, much poweful beings.
And even if that fails, Strange can easily create a time loop, giving the ultimate win for the MCU.
[B]The delusion of the DCEU fanbase is to fail to realize that their dying universe has long time be outmatched by the MCU.
Sure, DCEU might have the "reflexes" adv. But MCU has all the rest of feats
/thread. [/B]
The guy with the best strength feats doesn't have the feats to put them down? You are Quan 2.0.
Superman overpowered a Singularity and took a nuke. Now what?
Except he has superior strength feats to both. Overpowering the World Engine gravity weapon while depowered, overpowering the singularity, casually lifting and carrying an apartment complex, easily towing a ship, moving tectonic plates, etc. Carol and Thor have nothing on that.
Strange doesn't have the time stone anymore.
I'm not a DC or Marvel fan. They're both greasy stains on the art of cinema.
Superman has both the strength and speed advantages by feats. This is objectively a fact.
Originally posted by Psychotron
The guy with the best strength feats doesn't have the feats to put them down? You are Quan 2.0.Superman overpowered a Singularity and took a nuke. Now what?
Except he has superior strength feats to both. Overpowering the World Engine gravity weapon while depowered, overpowering the singularity, casually lifting and carrying an apartment complex, easily towing a ship, moving tectonic plates, etc. Carol and Thor have nothing on that.
Strange doesn't have the time stone anymore.
I'm not a DC or Marvel fan. They're both greasy stains on the art of cinema.
Superman has both the strength and speed advantages by feats. This is objectively a fact.
😂
Neutron star>>>>>>>>>>Nuke
Real Black Hole>>>>>>>>>Small Singularity
Hulk moving Surtur>>>>>>>>>>>Superman
Thanos/Carol>>>>>>>>>>>Hulk
Come on Psychotron, you are really with your back on the wall just now.
Who said that Strange doesn't have the Time Stone?
Originally posted by Psychotron
The guy with the best strength feats doesn't have the feats to put them down? You are Quan 2.0.Superman overpowered a Singularity and took a nuke. Now what?
Except he has superior strength feats to both. Overpowering the World Engine gravity weapon while depowered, overpowering the singularity, casually lifting and carrying an apartment complex, easily towing a ship, moving tectonic plates, etc. Carol and Thor have nothing on that.
Strange doesn't have the time stone anymore.
I'm not a DC or Marvel fan. They're both greasy stains on the art of cinema.
Superman has both the strength and speed advantages by feats. This is objectively a fact.
The tectonic plate thing is not usable as we have no idea how he does it, and Thor's star feat even on a low end estimate dwarfs anything that Superman actually did on screen.
Originally posted by Psychotron
I don't see how. Thor and Strange can do nothing to stop Flash, Superman, and Diana from blitzing them. Carol will eventually go down after a barrage off attacks.
If Flash tries to blitz Thor or CM he'll just break his hands. Superman can probably land a punch on Thor before he can put up his lightning cloak, after that it's going to be tricky for Supes to land a hit without getting zapped. Diana has almost zero feats of actually blitzing a skilled fighter, so we can't assign her feats that she doesn't have.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderThe missile wasnt moving at Mach 20 unless you assume CM was flying backwards when about to make contact.
Being pushed by an object moving at Mach 20 will have your sight blurred!Furthermore, the coordination required to hit similar object that are closely following by (The sun is 1000s of km away) is beyond human.
You are just desperate right now. Superman loses, wave the white flag already.
Having your sight blurred after making contact is irrelevant to reactions. A blind person can push something after they make contact.
There were seconds elapsed between events as shown in screen. Anything above a second (or 0.2 second) is worst than human level.