Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ah, as I had seen no posts and nobody acknowledging and agreeing with Galan, I assumed you boys were still in disagreement with it. I mean, he hasn't posted anything new or unseen, so the fact that people were disagreeing meant that they MUST have been privy to some secret knowledge.But it seems the scans are the same as had always been there 🙂
Who showed disagreement with it? I didn't. That was never my argument.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
It's a moot point. The anvil has not shown any battle application. What's he going to do, start hammering out universes mid-battle? That's how he gets knocked out the last time.So relative to battle would be that which he has achieved with what could be used in battle. Of course, he can swing a hammer in battle. In a universe creating contest, bring on the anvil.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What does it matter?No one says Hal/Stark/Rider/Wendell are all street tier, do they?
From the little I know of the WF, it honestly seems like he's one of those guys who should be avoided in threads because he just doesn't have all that much to go on. Mistress Love and Sire Hate have way more appearances than WF, but we don't bother putting them in threads because there's just no way to actually judge what we've seen from them. I'm not denying WF's power because he's obviously meant to be one of DC's 4 highest guns, I'm just saying that like most abstract level characters any discussion specifically dependent upon his feats is going to fall flat.
Originally posted by Diesldude
See, they are trying to say that WF doesn’t have the power to create universes it’s all from the anvil.This is after spending a month using the nuclear bomb analogy which was disproven, this is the next angle. trying to say that the Wf isn’t powerful enough to create universes because the power comes from striking the anvil. Lmao this is to knock him down a peg and make Superman’s feat less impressive. That feat has been gnawing at their but for over a month now. These mental gymnastics a are hilarious.
So are you saying that he can create universes without the anvil?
As far as I can see, where the anvil comes from is an unknown even if he can summon it any time. But so far, it appears necessary for the creation of universes and multiverses and has shown nothing to indicate applicability in battle. That is why I ask about what he has shown with just the hammer and himself.
Someone mentioned the creation of his pet. Okay, that's a good one. A universe eater. A comparable character would perhaps be Hunger. That very pet also killed WF.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok I might understand the point he's trying to make, but I'm not 100% sure. If I'm correct, I think the issue being put forth is that unlike Thor's hammer(which gets used directly against an opponent) when discussing WF there's something of a ritual involved in the creation of the multiverse. If someone can wave their hand and create a universe or multiverse, that's something of a direct indication of how much power they can bring to bear at any one moment. But when there's ritual involved there's less direct correlation between the feat and the characters specific offensive/defensive capabilities in a fight scenario. By the same token, Odin can use a ritual to create a weapon that can kill Celestials, but we know for a fact that he himself can't hurt a Celestial. And to an extent some level of recognition of the process used is warranted. After all it's not like WF's opponents are required to stand around and wait for the guy to pound away on his anvil for long enough to unleash a multiverse's worth of power as if he's charging up an attack on DBZ.From the little I know of the WF, it honestly seems like he's one of those guys who should be avoided in threads because he just doesn't have all that much to go on. Mistress Love and Sire Hate have way more appearances than WF, but we don't bother putting them in threads because there's just no way to actually judge what we've seen from them. I'm not denying WF's power because he's obviously meant to be one of DC's 4 highest guns, I'm just saying that like most abstract level characters any discussion specifically dependent upon his feats is going to fall flat.
Excellent post.
We have already seen Forger use the energy to create a universe redirected to power a ship.
Why wouldn't he be able to redirect it to Chaos King's face?
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Excellent post.
Originally posted by TheHulksterone, there is no comparison. 2, did that pet kill Wf in the 6th dimension? Nope, he was killed outside of the 6th dimension and then was reborn back in the 6th dimension.
So are you saying that he can create universes without the anvil?As far as I can see, where the anvil comes from is an unknown even if he can summon it any time. But so far, it appears necessary for the creation of universes and multiverses and has shown nothing to indicate applicability in battle. That is why I ask about what he has shown with just the hammer and himself.
Someone mentioned the creation of his pet. Okay, that's a good one. A universe eater. A comparable character would perhaps be Hunger. That very pet also killed WF.
In the 6th dimension WF picked up that same universe destroyer like he was a little mouse. That should tell you how much more powerful he is in his domain which is the 6th dimension.
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The only time a 'ritual' is involved is when WF wants to summon/use the Crisis Anvil specifically... But like I said before, the implication is that he *only* wanted to use the Crisis Anvil during the JL arc in order to replace multiverses without being detected by the Judges of the Source(because they might have destroyed him for doing such a thing.)
Apart from that, WF simply uses his 'regular' hammer/anvil to endlessly populate the entire multiversal superstructure(from the Monitor Sphere, all the way down to the Dark Multiverse.) That is his fundamental purpose, after all:
And as mentioned: even in a greatly diminished state, WF can [obviously] summon his 'regular' hammer/anvil at will, and start unleashing universal energy:
https://i.imgur.com/2M9vnGb.jpg
So I'm curious why in the hell people are trying to categorize his power without the hammer/anvil? To put the stupidity of such a question into perspective, that is like asking what Anti-Monitor would be capable of if anti-matter didn't exist. srsly
From the outside looking in, it does indeed like new depths to the lowballing are being reached here.
Originally posted by Galan007indeed it does.
The only time a 'ritual' is involved is when WF wants to summon/use the Crisis Anvil specifically... But like I said before, the implication is that he *only* wanted to use the Crisis Anvil during the JL arc in order to replace multiverses without being detected by the Judges of the Source(because they might have destroyed him for doing such a thing.)Apart from that, WF simply uses his 'regular' hammer/anvil to endlessly populate the entire multiversal superstructure(from the Monitor Sphere, all the way down to the Dark Multiverse.) That is his fundamental purpose, after all:
And as mentioned: even in a greatly diminished state, WF can [obviously] summon his 'regular' hammer/anvil at will, and start unleashing universal energy:
https://i.imgur.com/2M9vnGb.jpgSo I'm curious why in the hell people are trying to categorize his power without the hammer/anvil? To put the stupidity of such a question into perspective, that is like asking what Anti-Monitor would be capable of if anti-matter didn't exist. srsly
From the outside looking in, it does indeed like new depths to the lowballing are being reached here.
Originally posted by Galan007
The only time a 'ritual' is involved is when WF wants to summon/use the Crisis Anvil specifically... But like I said before, the implication is that he *only* wanted to use the Crisis Anvil during the JL arc in order to replace multiverses without being detected by the Judges of the Source(because they might have destroyed him for doing such a thing.)Apart from that, WF simply uses his 'regular' hammer/anvil to endlessly populate the entire multiversal superstructure(from the Monitor Sphere, all the way down to the Dark Multiverse.) That is his fundamental purpose, after all:
And as mentioned: even in a greatly diminished state, WF can [obviously] summon his 'regular' hammer/anvil at will, and start unleashing universal energy:
https://i.imgur.com/2M9vnGb.jpgSo I'm curious why in the hell people are trying to categorize his power without the hammer/anvil? To put the stupidity of such a question into perspective, that is like asking what Anti-Monitor would be capable of if anti-matter didn't exist. srsly
From the outside looking in, it does indeed like new depths to the lowballing are being reached here.
Originally posted by Diesldude
one, there is no comparison. 2, did that pet kill Wf in the 6th dimension? Nope, he was killed outside of the 6th dimension and then was reborn back in the 6th dimension.In the 6th dimension WF picked up that same universe destroyer like he was a little mouse. That should tell you how much more powerful he is in his domain which is the 6th dimension.
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WF is in the Prime Universe when he picks it up like a mouse. So it appears that the size has no meaning. And WF was not residing in the 6th dimension when killed. He resided at the World Forge where he was presumably fully powered at that location.
Originally posted by lawest9
Is CK multiversal?
Yes. While WF is taking time to lift his hammer to tedeously redirect energy, CK knocks him out with a multiversal punch.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Yes. While WF is taking time to lift his hammer to tedeously redirect energy, CK knocks him out with a multiversal punch.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Yes. While WF is taking time to lift his hammer to tedeously redirect energy, CK knocks him out with a multiversal punch.
You forgot that WF is fast enough to intercept a raging Superman's fist with a finger 🙂
Originally posted by abhilegend
What's multiverse level there?
Both combatants. Heck, Perpetua with most of her power back has to take a prolonged period of time after destroying a universe to regain the energy to destroy another. It will take her a while to destroy the other 51 universes. She is more powerful than WF.
CK at that point had destroyed 98.7% of what was an infinite multiverse at the time.
