Originally posted by TheHulkster
Both combatants. Heck, Perpetua with most of her power back has to take a prolonged period of time after destroying a universe to regain the energy to destroy another. It will take her a while to destroy the other 51 universes. She is more powerful than WF.CK at that point had destroyed 98.7% of what was an infinite multiverse at the time.
or World Forger is capable of creating 2 multiverses with hypertime and Perpetua is more powerful than him
They are beings capable of creating sphere of gods and higher dimension planes that infinitely dwarf 3rd dimension multiverse
there's also statement that CK only destroyed 98.7 percent of the universe, Hercules mentioned he only repaired the unifverse that CK destroyed.
So WF stomps via superior DC Cosmology
See how downplaying works both ways. you guys never stop the regurgitated crap
like it's been years people still don't get the concept of compare both combatants highest feats and lowest feats side by side, all showings need to be considered.
they are around the same level, both multiversal
with WF being a notch above based on the fact he exist in a infinite higher plane of existence outside of the infinite multiverse which most marvel cosmic beings have no answer for
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Both combatants. Heck, Perpetua with most of her power back has to take a prolonged period of time after destroying a universe to regain the energy to destroy another. It will take her a while to destroy the other 51 universes. She is more powerful than WF.CK at that point had destroyed 98.7% of what was an infinite multiverse at the time.
This reminds me of the time Superman lifted 50% of a book with infinite pages.....
Then that same Superman, whilst amped, was only able to briefly stun the WF 😂
Originally posted by Galan007Show WF hammer or anvil defeating a powerful foe. Show WF using his tools in combat. Show WF himself in prolonged combat so that we can see what he got. That's all we are asking.
The only time a 'ritual' is involved is when WF wants to summon/use the Crisis Anvil specifically... But like I said before, the implication is that he *only* wanted to use the Crisis Anvil during the JL arc in order to replace multiverses without being detected by the Judges of the Source(because they might have destroyed him for doing such a thing.)Apart from that, WF simply uses his 'regular' hammer/anvil to endlessly populate the entire multiversal superstructure(from the Monitor Sphere, all the way down to the Dark Multiverse.) That is his fundamental purpose, after all:
And as mentioned: even in a greatly diminished state, WF can [obviously] summon his 'regular' hammer/anvil at will, and start unleashing universal energy:
https://i.imgur.com/2M9vnGb.jpgSo I'm curious why in the hell people are trying to categorize his power without the hammer/anvil? To put the stupidity of such a question into perspective, that is like asking what Anti-Monitor would be capable of if anti-matter didn't exist. srsly
From the outside looking in, it does indeed like new depths to the lowballing are being reached here.
Originally posted by TheHulkstersince wf was outside of the 6th dimension you can acknowledge that barbatos killed a limited weaker version. This particular lowballing argument can stop now. Yeah?
WF is in the Prime Universe when he picks it up like a mouse. So it appears that the size has no meaning. And WF was not residing in the 6th dimension when killed. He resided at the World Forge where he was presumably fully powered at that location.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Both combatants. Heck, Perpetua with most of her power back has to take a prolonged period of time after destroying a universe to regain the energy to destroy another. It will take her a while to destroy the other 51 universes. She is more powerful than WF.CK at that point had destroyed 98.7% of what was an infinite multiverse at the time.
Heck even Eternity and Nightmare are above Mikaboshi now.
Great Post!!
Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok I might understand the point he's trying to make, but I'm not 100% sure. If I'm correct, I think the issue being put forth is that unlike Thor's hammer(which gets used directly against an opponent) when discussing WF there's something of a ritual involved in the creation of the multiverse. If someone can wave their hand and create a universe or multiverse, that's something of a direct indication of how much power they can bring to bear at any one moment. But when there's ritual involved there's less direct correlation between the feat and the characters specific offensive/defensive capabilities in a fight scenario. By the same token, Odin can use a ritual to create a weapon that can kill Celestials, but we know for a fact that he himself can't hurt a Celestial. And to an extent some level of recognition of the process used is warranted. After all it's not like WF's opponents are required to stand around and wait for the guy to pound away on his anvil for long enough to unleash a multiverse's worth of power as if he's charging up an attack on DBZ.From the little I know of the WF, it honestly seems like he's one of those guys who should be avoided in threads because he just doesn't have all that much to go on. Mistress Love and Sire Hate have way more appearances than WF, but we don't bother putting them in threads because there's just no way to actually judge what we've seen from them. I'm not denying WF's power because he's obviously meant to be one of DC's 4 highest guns, I'm just saying that like most abstract level characters any discussion specifically dependent upon his feats is going to fall flat.
Originally posted by JBL THE GREATShow TOAA doing something like this. Does his lack of direct h2h/combat feats make him any less supreme, iyo? 🙂
Show WF hammer or anvil defeating a powerful foe. Show WF using his tools in combat. Show WF himself in prolonged combat so that we can see what he got. That's all we are asking.
Or is it possible that maybe, just maybe, we don't need to see these upper-echelon cosmic/abstract beings routinely throwing fisticuffs with 'the villain of the week' in order to get a proper bearing on their level of power..? You realize this isn't Wolverine or Daredevil, right..?
Of course, I don't expect you to ever acknowledge this(you and the others will tap dance around these facts as always), but most who are actually capable of looking at things logically, and independent of preconceived company biases, realize that a character who has created two complete multiverses(including their higher-dimensional realms), created Hypertime itself, created a being whose purpose is to endlessly devour universes, and created the infinities of universes that fell into the Dark Multiverse... Is undoubtedly packing multiversal++ power, and can only be challenged by those who are operating on a similar level.
Your incessant denial of the facts will never change this... But you do you. 👆
Originally posted by abhilegendIt doesn't appear to be Mr Master for once, so that's a nice surprise. 👆
😂Sock alert.
The moral is, World Forger is ftless. His only showing is against a weakened Superman. Then, he seems to be more powerful in the 6th dimension than anything. Can he resist someone teleporting him to another dimension? If so, scans please. What if Odin teleported him to another dimension during a fight, does he have showings proving that a weakened WF could hang with Odin? Combo, teleport, beat to sleep.
Originally posted by carver9How many teleportation resistance feats does TOAA have? Scans please. 🙂
The moral is, World Forger is ftless. His only showing is against a weakened Superman. Then, he seems to be more powerful in the 6th dimension than anything. Can he resist someone teleporting him to another dimension? If so, scans please. What if Odin teleported him to another dimension during a fight, does he have showings proving that a weakened WF could hang with Odin? Combo, teleport, beat to sleep.
