Originally posted by Astner
Batbatos was a threat to the multiverse, Chaos King was a threat to the universe. Do the math.
To recap. The Chaos King never destroyed any universes. All he ever destroyed was afterlives and various pocket dimensions.
The first domain he destroyed was that of the Pantheon of Zenn-La.
Then he destroyed Impossible Man's domain.
Then he destroyed the underworld.
Then he destroyed the Dream Dimension.
Then he destroyed the realms of the Earthly Pantheons.
These are all the domains we see him attack in the original run and the spin-offs. There are no attacks on alternate Earths or timelines, the attacks are all confined to realms associated with the 616 Universe.
The main argument for the attack being multiversal is this quote by Amadeus Cho.
The issue is that this describes the multiverse as finite, since percentages are fractions, which only applies to finite numbers.
It's clear from the context that Amadeus is talking about is the universe and the various realms associated with it.
In fact, when Hercules attained all-father status he was able to defeat the Chaos King.
Athena even compares him to Zeus, after he defeated the Chaos King.
At the end of the series Hercules refers to Amadeus' "multiverse" as the universe.
The fact that Amadeus or Hercules refers to the 616 Universe as a multiverse means jack-shit, because they're not talking about the Marvel Multiverse, and this is made clear in the story. Of course, I'm fully aware of the fact that this won't stop fanboys from ripping panels out of context, ignore the story, and present their own headcanon of how Skyfathers are multiversal threats, and tell me that I'm just a hater.
He wasn't compared to Eternity in power. Eternity made it clear that he simply couldn't fight him for pseudo-philosophical reasons.
Eternity would clearly win, since the Chaos King was a skyfather-level threat.
And if this wasn't made clear enough, it's even explained in Scarlet Witch #13 that the Chaos King was nowhere near Eternity in terms of power.
Good stuff, Astner. 👆
Also worth noting that they ultimately beat Chaos King by allowing him to think he'd "won"... And they accomplished this by placing CK in his own universe(singular) without his knowledge, of which he absorbed/overtook:
Point being: an entity that was truly multiversal would surely know the difference between overtaking one universe vs. overtaking infinite universes.
Originally posted by Stoic
Okay, well then that seals the deal. Barbatos is way above CK, except for one last thing. Is CK Oblivion?
In fact, in an alternate universe where Maelstrom won he fought Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet for supremacy.
Originally posted by Astner
So how powerful is Oblivion? About as powerful as Eternity, Infinity, or Death.
Originally posted by Galan007
Point being: an entity that was truly multiversal would surely know the difference between overtaking one universe vs. overtaking infinite universes.
When we refer to the Marvel Multiverse, we're referring to the infinite portfolio of Alternate Earths. We see this in Time Runs Out with White Panther.
It's clear that this is a character from a different Earth than the 616. So this is clearly a different category of multiverse than the one referred to in Chaos War.
The problem is that a lot of people are too lazy to read the stories and instead latch on to semantics used rather than feats.
CK still win this fight after all he was still defeated only via bfr
He was powerful enough to drive Death out of underworld, beating Impossible Man. I get that making skyfathers and Galactus his ***** is not all that, but those 2 feats I mentioned make him beyond universal level.
Chaos War was just inconsistent, Cho has used the term multiverse multiple times saying they saved the multiverse and Chaos King destroyed 98 something percent of the multiverse
and Herc said he repaired the "universe" after they won, maybe the arthor was using multiverse and universe interchangeably (sort of like the case with Lucifer)
So really either arguments can be made, also if we view 616 as a multiverse (as in putting all the realms and pocket dimensions as seperate realities) then yeah maybe Chaos King did only destroy 616
Barbatos on the other hand got his body blow through by hawkgirl with nth metal and eventually chained up. Barbatos is wildly inconsistence. By his status, his power should dwarf the 52 universes by infinity, Dark Multiverse is infinite. But he did not rack up any feats before his low fashion defeat
He didn't drive death out of the underworld. He simply freed the dead by destroying the underworld.
Multiverse is used interchangeably with universe, and in this story it's referring to the 616 Universe and the various realms associated with it.
In Vertigo's Lucifer—which has nothing to do with Chaos War—Lucifer recreated God's creation in its totality. The fact that it's referred to as a universe or multiverse means nothing, because we know what it is: a duplicate of the creation the Presence presides over.
Skyfather-level beings like Odin and Galactus can threaten the universe as well, just as the Chaos King did. It's going to be a campaign, because it's not something they can do with the snap of a finger, and it's not certain that they're going to succeed, but they can do it.
But it's clear from the story that the Chaos King is a skyfather-level character, because he was defeated by All-Father Hercules and no opponent he fought was greater than skyfather-level.
