Because it's really not as complicated as you're trying to make it out to be?
All universes =/= the Marvel Multiverse, so even when CK came close to destroying all universes, that doesn't mean anything - its literally the same as saying 98.7% of the multiverse.
The same argument that Astner applied to that 98.7% scan is EXACTLY the same argument that can be applied to the sentence 'came close to destroying all universes'.
What's so hard to comprehend?
No one calls hell and places like those "universes".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marvel_Comics_dimensions
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/dimensionsrealms-universes-roman-harambura
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because it's really not as complicated as you're trying to make it out to be?All universes =/= the Marvel Multiverse, so even when CK came close to destroying all universes, that doesn't mean anything - its literally the same as saying 98.7% of the multiverse.
The same argument that Astner applied to that 98.7% scan is EXACTLY the same argument that can be applied to the sentence 'came close to destroying all universes'.
What's so hard to comprehend?
Not sure why u keep repeating an already understood position, without actually adding anything new...
Ure ramming ure head to the same wall hoping for a different result.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I could say the same for you.....You understand the point, good. Can you understand that it applies you your statement as well?
Again...
Where is the definitive proof that Oblivion did not actually mean "All Universes"? On panel, that is what's shown.
And in dealing with characters like Scrier and the Other, the idea that we're talking at a larger scale than Astner's take is not far fetched.
Scrier alone had spoken of earth dying and reborn thousand times. That alone suggests he's seen multiple earths. He's also spoken of time being meaningless to him and seeing multiple realities. He also errected a barrier at a nexus where millions of realities converge.
He seems to deal with a pretty large scale.
So...
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It doesnt apply. I never took a stance. I was inviting more insight. Not the same idea over and over.Again...
Where is the definitive proof that Oblivion did not actually mean "All Universes"? On panel, that is what's shown.
And in dealing with characters like Scrier and the Other, the idea that we're talking at a larger scale than Astner's take is not far fetched.
Scrier alone had spoken of earth dying and reborn thousand times. That alone suggests he's seen multiple earths. He's also spoken of time being meaningless to him and seeing multiple realities. He also errected a barrier at a nexus where millions of realities converge.
He seems to deal with a pretty large scale.
So...
The definitive proof being that he was referring to CKs attack.
Which was said to be a universe, on panel. On panel, that is what's shown.
Moreover, on panel, we were NOT shown....well, any other Earths.
Really, i am not sure why you keep asking when it has already been answered?
Also, how do you consolidate the fact that CK was tricked into thinking he'd fully accomplished his goal and "won" after the heroes preformed the switcheroo and placed him in a universe(singular) that he fully absorbed?
As I said earlier: a being who had allegedly absorbed ~99% of the multiverse would surely be able to tell the difference between INFINITE universeS and ONE universe, right? Point being: if CK were actually multiversal beforehand, he wouldn't have 'settled' for absorbing a just single universe... Nor would he have been duped into thinking he'd "won" after absorbing that universe.
If I have $100 in my wallet, I'm certainly going to know if $99 comes up missing. ermm
The repeated use of "multiverse" has been pointed out. Why does "multiverse" mean "universe" while "universe" does not mean "multiverse"?
If anything, history has shown that characters call multiverses "universes" while I have never seen a single universe called a "multiverse". To say that "multiverse" is referencing a single universe and it's realms is erroneous.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The definitive proof being that he was referring to CKs attack.Which was said to be a universe, on panel. On panel, that is what's shown.
Moreover, on panel, we were NOT shown....well, any other Earths.
Really, i am not sure why you keep asking when it has already been answered?
I get it. I get the idea that was initially presented. U dont have to repeat it over and over. I've read CW and that is a very plausible viewpoint, as I've mentioned repeatedly.
But now we have an updated account of those events. When I say updated, I mean a more recent description of those accounts. A description that heavily implies the scale at which that event took place was bigger than what may have been presented. What if there was a retcon being that a newer description heavily implies a larger scale? Or what if this was not even a retcon, but actually a clarifiaction of said events so that there would be no more conflicting views? Where is your definitive proof that Obliv didn't mean All Universes even though on-panel he clearly states "All Universes"?
@Galan
In comics, seemingly omnipotent beings or nigh omnipotent can be defeated by some wacky plot. Isnt it a common occurence for these type beings to be defeated in some underwhelming manner? They get built up all story long, but fall face flat because the writer wrote himself into a proverbial corner.
Plus CK/Mikaboshi was always portrayed as batshiet nutz.
https://www.newsarama.com/6339-chaos-war-from-the-field-1-with-pak-van-lente.html
"Pak: I think the Chaos King, he’s tired of this incessant yammering from all of creation. He’s the “get off my lawn” villain of the Marvel Universe. It’s time for everyone to get off his lawn, and everything to return to that beautiful, sweet quiet of the void that existed before creation. He could just continue to plunge the world into chaos and maintain a constant upheaval, but there would still be a level or order, just because people would be kicking around. And it would also be really annoying for him. He’s ready to just put out the lights."
So there are a couple of things I want to clarify.
When I say "Skyfather" I'm referring to the strongest beings beneath the Abstracts. Odin, Zeus, Rune King Thor, All-Father Hercules, Surtur, Mephisto, Dormammu, Galactus, Dark Phoenix, and the Celestials all fall under this definition.
Some posters prefer further division of these characters, and while some of them tend to be more powerful than others it's still ambiguous enough to where I'd consider them to be in the same weight-class.
I call Chaos King a Skyfather because:[list=1][*]He never fought anyone stronger than a Skyfather.[*]He was defeated by a Skyfather.[/list=1]These characters, like I said, have the potential to destroy the 616 and all the realms associated with it.
The Chaos King's conquest was, according to the event and tie-ins, limited to the 616. He never attacked an Alternate Earth, a past, or a future. Not only isn't it shown on panel, it's never even hinted at. So there's not a shred of evidence to suggest that the Chaos War was on the scale of Time Runs Out.
As for Oblivion referring to it as the multiverse, all creation, or all the universes; it doesn't matter, for the same reason it doesn't matter that Amadeus Cho uses the term multiverse in the series.
Because regardless of what you call it it was just the 616 and it's never going to become more than the 616 because of what it's called.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
No one calls hell and places like those "universes".
