Originally posted by -Pr-I wasn't saying when he's flying he could overtake the other top three. What I want to say is the scan didn't show the accurate place when superman is flying.
It is stated, sure, but it isn't stated that when he's flying that he overtakes any of the top three. Even if you wanted to take it as meaning he could overtake Thawne, that's not the same as being as fast as Wally.
Originally posted by -Pr-Well, Because it only showed when he's running he was in the fourth place, But writer didn't say which place he will take when he is flying. So I'm not sure all the top three will certainly surpass him, Especially Thawne once stated superman speed rivals his own. So imo, I will put him tied to Thawne for the third place. Of course, That just my opinion, Since the writer didn't show the accurate place when superman is flying
Do you mean relative to those in front and behind him? Or something else?
Originally posted by -Pr-
The picture clearly shows that Superman, even while flying, isn't faster than Flash.Now, people are free to disagree with that, but that's obviously DC's stance.
I personally don't disagree that Flash is faster, but the text doesn't support that interpretation of the picture:
"But once he puts those two feet onto solid ground he can't quite crack the top three" implies that he can crack the top three by flying.
Originally posted by Smurph👆
I personally don't disagree that Flash is faster, but the text doesn't support that interpretation of the picture:"But once he puts those two feet onto solid ground he can't quite crack the top three" implies that he can crack the top three by flying.
The picture depicts them in the order of the ranking -- but the ranking themselves are actually based on running, not flying.
So based in a foot race, Superman is behind [only] Wally/Barry/Eobard.
Now, the fact that it's said 'once he sets his foot on the ground he doesn't quite crack top 3' to me implies that if he doesn't set his foot on the ground, he does. Either way, that's not really relevant, since flight speed =/= running/combat speed, so whatevs.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Yes, when it comes to running.
That's one way of interpreting it.Another is that when he's flying, he's the #1 top dawg of all fliers. No one can surpass him. Not even Cap Marvel, also shown flying (along with the Black Racer).
But when it comes to running, he's #4.
Which means that the ranking is about a foot race, and the picture doesn't tell us DC's stance on Superman's flight speed vs Flash's running speed.
Originally posted by Smurph
Yes, when it comes to running.Which means that the ranking is about a foot race, and the picture doesn't tell us DC's stance on Superman's flight speed vs Flash's running speed.
OK.
This is your original post:
Originally posted by Smurph
I personally don't disagree that Flash is faster, but the text doesn't support that interpretation of the picture:"But once he puts those two feet onto solid ground he can't quite crack the top three" implies that he can crack the top three by flying.
This is the original text:
The Man of Steel is unmatched when flying in the air, able to arrive and save the day in the blink of an eye. But once he puts those two feet onto solid ground he can't quite crack the top three
Let's use a real world example.
The Man of SteelIan Thorpe is unmatched when flying in the air swimming in the water, able to arrive and save the day in the blink of an eye. But once he puts those two feet onto solid ground he can't quite crack the top three.
Your original post: this implies that when Ian Thorpe runs, he can be one of the top three sprinters in the world by swimming.
For those interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Thorpe
He does 100m in 48.56 seconds (roughly).
Usain does it in under 10 seconds.
The implication to me is that Superman isn't on par with the top three(ie. Eobard, Barry, and Wally) in a footrace, but can potentially enter their realm of speed when he flies.
And in fact, you see him doing just that in the picture:
https://i.imgur.com/6aVkuce.jpg
He is technically ahead of Eobard there(and has therefore cracked into the top three)... And he's flying.
At any rate, Wally is faster... He's the fastest there is, period:
https://i.imgur.com/NcEkSy3.jpg
Originally posted by Galan007Fair point, but do you think that pic really indicates how an actual race between them would go?
The implication to me is that Superman isn't on par with the top three(ie. Eobard, Barry, and Wally) in a footrace, but can potentially enter their realm of speed when he flies.And in fact, you see him doing just that in the picture:
https://i.imgur.com/6aVkuce.jpgHe is technically ahead of Eobard there(and has therefore cracked into the top three)... And he's flying.
At any rate, Wally is faster... He's the fastest there is, period:
https://i.imgur.com/NcEkSy3.jpg
Originally posted by Galan007👆
The implication to me is that Superman isn't on par with the top three(ie. Eobard, Barry, and Wally) in a footrace, but can potentially enter their realm of speed when he flies.And in fact, you see him doing just that in the picture:
https://i.imgur.com/6aVkuce.jpgHe is technically ahead of Eobard there(and has therefore cracked into the top three)... And he's flying.
At any rate, Wally is faster... He's the fastest there is, period:
https://i.imgur.com/NcEkSy3.jpg
Originally posted by DarkSaint85😐
OK.This is your original post:
This is the original text:
Let's use a real world example.
The Man of SteelIan Thorpe is unmatched whenflying in the airswimming in the water, able to arrive and save the day in the blink of an eye. But once he puts those two feet onto solid ground he can't quite crack the top three.Your original post: this implies that when Ian Thorpe runs, he can be one of the top three sprinters in the world by swimming.
For those interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_ThorpeHe does 100m in 48.56 seconds (roughly).
Usain does it in under 10 seconds.
Yes, what you’ve written would imply that Thorpe is a faster swimmer than a runner, and that he is a world class runner. If you didn’t want to draw that implication, you should have phrased things differently.
The text directly implies that putting feet on the ground slows Superman down. /shrug
Anyways, the only material point here is that the picture isn’t DC’s stance on Superman’s flight vs Wally’s run. That said, I still think Wally would win, as I’ve said.
Originally posted by LordGodMaybe, maybe not... But if people are going to hyper-analyze a single statement from the list this much, I should be able to hyper-analyze its corresponding illustration this much. 😉
Fair point, but do you think that pic really indicates how an actual race between them would go?
That being said, there's really no reason to fixate on the list at all... Especially when a character of Tempus Fuginaut's caliber(whose word is pretty much irrefutable) has explicitly stated that Wally is the fastest being in the multiverse, period.
Now does that mean Superman equates to a statue in comparison and cannot contend with his speed on any level? No. It just means that Wally IS faster to some degree... As he should be.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Well, Because it only showed when he's running he was in the fourth place, But writer didn't say which place he will take when he is flying. So I'm not sure all the top three will certainly surpass him, Especially Thawne once stated superman speed rivals his own. So imo, I will put him tied to Thawne for the third place. Of course, That just my opinion, Since the writer didn't show the accurate place when superman is flying
I don't necessarily disagree, tbh.
Originally posted by Smurph
I personally don't disagree that Flash is faster, but the text doesn't support that interpretation of the picture:"But once he puts those two feet onto solid ground he can't quite crack the top three" implies that he can crack the top three by flying.
Cracking the top three doesn't make him as fast as Flash, though. It does get messy if we start getting in to ABC stuff, I suppose.
Originally posted by Galan007
The implication to me is that Superman isn't on par with the top three(ie. Eobard, Barry, and Wally) in a footrace, but can potentially enter their realm of speed when he flies.And in fact, you see him doing just that in the picture:
https://i.imgur.com/6aVkuce.jpgHe is technically ahead of Eobard there(and has therefore cracked into the top three)... And he's flying.
At any rate, Wally is faster... He's the fastest there is, period:
https://i.imgur.com/NcEkSy3.jpg
Thinking that Superman is top 3 is one thing, thinking that because his fist is slightly ahead of Zoom that the list which explicitly says he's 4th now becomes questionable as to whether he's 3rd or not...
Check your Carver.
