Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Time stop isn't speed steal.....
You’re right, it’s far worse.
Everyone here arguing for Flash are using one argument, speed steal. Tell me, what do Superman brings to the table?
It’s not like Superman couldn't just break the environment casually, or freeze the environment, or heat up the environment, or remove all the oxygen.
Superman has battle many opponents were he takes the fight to space or the sun.
Superman last fight with Rag shook the damn Phantom Zone.
New 52 Superman took a hit from a 5D Spear and was still fighting.
Post took the destruction of Source Wall, all it did was knocked him out.
Wally’s best chance of winning is not speed steal, but Speed Force dumb. And One mistake on his part leaves him open for Superman to casually kill him.
So the battle basically focusing on could Flash keep stealing Superman speed and punching him down.
If Flash managed to do one speed steal on superman that would do the trick imo
But superman just needs one punch and the battle is over
So if flash started with speed steal, Then he would win, But if he didn't and just started with punches or running around after his superman, Then Superman could hit him and flash get owned imo
Originally posted by SquallX
You’re right, it’s far worse.Everyone here arguing for Flash are using one argument, speed steal. Tell me, what do Superman brings to the table?
It’s not like Superman couldn't just break the environment casually, or freeze the environment, or heat up the environment, or remove all the oxygen.
Superman has battle many opponents were he takes the fight to space or the sun.
Superman last fight with Rag shook the damn Phantom Zone.
New 52 Superman took a hit from a 5D Spear and was still fighting.
Post took the destruction of Source Wall, all it did was knocked him out.
Wally’s best chance of winning is not speed steal, but Speed Force dumb. And One mistake on his part leaves him open for Superman to casually kill him.
That Superman has more tricks, no one denies.
But no one is arguing that, just like I don't argue that Surfer does one of 1001 ways he wins when Superman can just punch him in the face.
Speed steal is about all he has, sans BFR and time travel. But it's all he needs to win. Especially as he knows who Superman is, what he can do, and is trying to stop him (I'm assuming he's not trying to kill, because....well, OP just stated he's trying to stop not rip his eyes out or whatever).
So speed steal is perfectly viable as a non lethal way to stop a friend on a rampage.
Originally posted by SquallX
You’re right, it’s far worse.Everyone here arguing for Flash are using one argument, speed steal. Tell me, what do Superman brings to the table?
It’s not like Superman couldn't just break the environment casually, or freeze the environment, or heat up the environment, or remove all the oxygen.
Superman has battle many opponents were he takes the fight to space or the sun.
Superman last fight with Rag shook the damn Phantom Zone.
New 52 Superman took a hit from a 5D Spear and was still fighting.
Post took the destruction of Source Wall, all it did was knocked him out.
Wally’s best chance of winning is not speed steal, but Speed Force dumb. And One mistake on his part leaves him open for Superman to casually kill him.
Of course Flash has one trick. The guys entire power set consist of being a fast person.
Yes, flash has speed steal. No one can deny this being an ace card. The only arguing some are making is that Flash won’t do it every fight. There is BFR, there is time travel and many other unlikely scenarios.
The remaining arguing for Superman has no legs.
Superman isn’t hitting Flash. The same arguing that Superman won’t be hit by the likes of Hulk apply here. Flash is still a lot faster than Superman
So Superman’s only chance is to get “lucky”
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That Superman has more tricks, no one denies.But no one is arguing that, just like I don't argue that Surfer does one of 1001 ways he wins when Superman can just punch him in the face.
Speed steal is about all he has, sans BFR and time travel. But it's all he needs to win. Especially as he knows who Superman is, what he can do, and is trying to stop him (I'm assuming he's not trying to kill, because....well, OP just stated he's trying to stop not rip his eyes out or whatever).
So speed steal is perfectly viable as a non lethal way to stop a friend on a rampage.
Expected.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Of course Flash has one trick. The guys entire power set consist of being a fast person.Yes, flash has speed steal. No one can deny this being an ace card. The only arguing some are making is that Flash won’t do it every fight. There is BFR, there is time travel and many other unlikely scenarios.
The remaining arguing for Superman has no legs.
Superman isn’t hitting Flash. The same arguing that Superman won’t be hit by the likes of Hulk apply here. Flash is still a lot faster than SupermanSo Superman’s only chance is to get “lucky”
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well yeah because Flash can't fly....
https://i.redd.it/jp645vwi8w711.png
Its just that he is unmatched.
I've always thought the intent of this page was to show us what an actual race between these characters would look like:
Superman's 'peak' speed comes from flight, therefore he is shown flying on the page. The difference between he and Eobard/Barry/Wally isn't immense by any means(Wally's only a few feet in front of him), but it's still there.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Flash isn't a lot faster than Superman though. At least not while Superman is flying at full speed, even Flash's writer stated Superman is unmatched at flying speed.
Yes, there is a big difference between Superman and Wally at his best. There is no deny it.
The most recent flash war not only portrayed it but made it very clear.
You have a few vague statements to try and make your case. I have statements and direct feats. There is no reason to side with Superman on this
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I just don't get why Superman needs to be top of everything. I give him his props where they're due.I just don't think this is one of them
What about his mad dancing skills?
Originally posted by -Pr-Isn't it stated" But once he puts those two feet onto solid ground, He can't quite crack the top three", From my understanding it was basically saying when he running(not flying) he was the fourth fastest person in dc universe, But the accurate place when superman is flying still wasn't showed on this picture
The picture clearly shows that Superman, even while flying, isn't faster than Flash.Now, people are free to disagree with that, but that's obviously DC's stance.
Originally posted by Galan007
I've always thought the intent of this page was to show us what an actual race between these characters would look like:Superman's 'peak' speed comes from flight, therefore he is shown flying on the page. The difference between he and Zoom/Barry/Wally isn't immense by any means(Wally's only a few feet in front of him), but it's still there.
That picture didn’t state the difference between their speed. Just the order. For all we know, Superman’s top speed is 5mph and zoom is 350mph, while cheetah is only .01mph
Or rather should i not be claiming that Cheetah isn’t too far from Superman and she will start to blitz everyone else?
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Isn't it stated" But once he puts those two feet onto solid ground, He can't quite crack the top three", From my understanding it was basically saying when he running(not flying) he was the fourth fastest person in dc universe
It is stated, sure, but it isn't stated that when he's flying that he overtakes any of the top three. Even if you wanted to take it as meaning he could overtake Thawne, that's not the same as being as fast as Wally.
Originally posted by xJLxKingWhat's silly about it? That specific artistic depiction was obviously shown for a reason.
Sorry but that’s sillyThat picture didn’t state the difference between their speed. Just the order. For all we know, Superman’s top speed is 5mph and zoom is 350mph, while cheetah is only .01mph
Or rather should i not be claiming that Cheetah isn’t too far from Superman and she will start to blitz everyone else?
It's not like the characters are just shown arbitrarily standing in one spot with their rankings underneath them, like we saw with their magic users list:
https://i.imgur.com/qJ6nGht.jpg
...The speedsters are explicitly shown in a race.
Now, that's just one writer's thoughts on how a race between them would play out, so it certainly isn't the end-all/be-all evidence. I only mention it because that list was posted here.
