Flash vs Superman

The page in the link also explains why Superman doesn’t go all out when racing the flash on earth. His use of speed could destroy the earth while the flash has the speed force shenanigans to protect the earth and go as fast as he wants.

Originally posted by Diesldude
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Here’s wallly explaining it.

https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/The-Flash-209.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's Wally explaining he doesn't want to hurt Supes.

that’s fine but the main point here is what would happen if Wally were to steal kinetic energy from Superman.

Superman can’t go all out when he races the flash on earth. His muscles will break the laws of physics and gravity and place the entire planet in danger. Talk about world breaker.

And if Superman didn’t give AF, he would match or even exceed wally in speed. right there in that scan and wally has to speed steal to take the advantage.

In a forum fight, Superman doesn’t have to worry about breaking the laws of physics or gravity and may be even a “tad” faster. So flash isn’t going to get a sucker shot. Superman will be able to counter and I’ve already explained why speed steal won’t work and since Superman is a “tad” faster he’s going to tag the flash.
And that’s all he needs to do.

Originally posted by Diesldude
that’s fine but the main point here is what would happen if Wally were to steal kinetic energy from Superman.

Yeah, he'd hurt Superman really badly. Not sure how that's a negative for Wally when he's trying to save the world?

Also, that scan doesn't say Supes is a tad faster.

It says he USED to be. Now, he isn't.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Superman can’t go all out when he races the flash on earth. His muscles will break the laws of physics and gravity and place the entire planet in danger. Talk about world breaker.

And if Superman didn’t give AF, he would match or even exceed wally in speed. right there in that scan and wally has to speed steal to take the advantage.

TBH, this page actually was used previously by Philo to prove why Flash can beat Superman

Superman maybe only needs to contact once, but the problem is Superman's speed can be speedstolen by Flash. So even it only requires one punch, Superman is unlikely to deliver it in normal circumstances

So it in reality, the scan hurts Superman's arguments rather than supports it

Edit: not the Multiverse, but other realms were affected - my point still stands, it wasn't just measly Earth that was in danger:

And as for the scan where Superman is a 'tad' faster:

IOW, Superman was a tad faster when Wally was still a noob with his powers.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
TBH, this page actually was used previously by Philo to prove why Flash can beat Superman

Superman maybe only needs to contact once, but the problem is Superman's speed can be speedstolen by Flash. So even it only requires one punch, Superman is unlikely to deliver it in normal circumstances

So it in reality, the scan hurts Superman's arguments rather than supports it

This. And we saw how it went with Amazo - Wally was beaten pretty badly, Amazo had superspeed of his own - and Wally just instantly stole his speed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Edit: not the Multiverse, but other realms were affected - my point still stands, it wasn't just measly Earth that was in danger:

They were tearing apart the Multiverse, weren't they?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
TBH, this page actually was used previously by Philo to prove why Flash can beat Superman

Superman maybe only needs to contact once, but the problem is Superman's speed can be speedstolen by Flash. So even it only requires one punch, Superman is unlikely to deliver it in normal circumstances

So it in reality, the scan hurts Superman's arguments rather than supports it

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, he'd hurt Superman really badly. Not sure how that's a negative for Wally when he's trying to save the world?

Also, that scan doesn't say Supes is a tad faster.

It says he USED to be. Now, he isn't.

When Wally raced Barry, the Multiverse was in danger......

Can superman tag Wally before Wally gets headbutted by a kinetic charged forehead?
Either way Superman wins.

Also Superman has these mental blocks. He probably didn’t want to destroy the earth. That would happened had Superman tried to go faster. Or do you think he can’t go FTL on earth?

Originally posted by Diesldude
no but if Superman were to connect just once, the results would be the same.

Flash speed stealing from superman requires him to touch superman since Superman isn’t a speed force speedster.

One new power introduced in 2016 is Superman’s ability to redirect the kinetic energy of his movement to a body part like his fist.
Let the flash attempt to speed steal by making contact with that fist.
I’m sure the flash will be able to absorb the energy but the momentum of Superman’s fist, making contact, could kill the flash.

Originally posted by Philosophía
It does, but the mistake abhi makes here is separating the speed force from the motion inside the universe -- when the speed force IS the motion of the universe. In that sense, whatever speed is produced is, by definition, speed force-related -- which Flash can steal. And has. From Superman himself.

It's not a matter of Flash being so fast that Superman can't hit him, it's a matter of Flash being able to control Superman's speed by stealing it, so that he can't. Without speed steal, Superman would win, since he'd eventually break him with a slap.

Superman bullrushed Amazo and then then was not fast enough not to get beaten with red sun radiation at super-speed:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6df0ad0f94f89c8d3638a5007f09c83f.webp

But we're going on tangents here, it's not like anybody is saying Wally can't steal the speed of Superman [Amazo showing or not] -- Flash can steal Superman's speed whenever he wants in a forum fight without worrying about damages [https://i.imgur.com/ubRy0U6.jpg], so he would. He knows he can't afford getting hit [obviously]. So he will, and there's nothing Supes can do about it. Heat vision has zero chance, since we've seen Wally faster than it [https://i.imgur.com/TuQgHOz.jpg] and freeze breath would never hit him, or even if it would... https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6fbefedb97ba15f45b4731c5580f71c2.webp

I'm not saying you're wrong, but it comes down to speed steal and I don't think you've proven that point.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Edit: not the Multiverse, but other realms were affected - my point still stands, it wasn't just measly Earth that was in danger:

And as for the scan where Superman is a 'tad' faster:

IOW, Superman was a tad faster when Wally was still a noob with his powers.

This. And we saw how it went with Amazo - Wally was beaten pretty badly, Amazo had superspeed of his own - and Wally just instantly stole his speed.

It stopped Amazo. Also, Wally was half dead at the time.

The point is that he did it really quickly, against a character who was very very fast. Whether the effect wore off or not, is moot in a forum fight where PIS and CIS is turned off.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It stopped Amazo. Also, Wally was half dead at the time.

The point is that he did it really quickly, against a character who was very very fast. Whether the effect wore off or not, is moot in a forum fight where PIS and CIS is turned off.

Mind you, Superman straight up blitzed the same Amazo until he used red sunlight.

The fight with Superman vs Amazo and Amazo vs Flash went completely different. All of it.

Originally posted by carver9
The fight with Superman vs Amazo and Amazo vs Flash went completely different. All of it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, Superman blitzed Amazo and Amazo blitzed Flash. Good point carver.

What're you talking about?

https://i.redd.it/shfjhmrquow01.jpg

Also, Flash and Amazo was actually a fight; Supes surprise attacked TF out of Amazo.