Originally posted by Darth Thor
Of course they shot it down by accident.Shit happens in war. Maybe best to just not go to war in the first place.
Well, guess they shouldn't have attacked our embassy then & been planning to commit even more attacks against us which triggered this sequence of events. 👆
And no, we still aren't at war so that lame excuse doesn't work anyway. It's pretty clear the Iranian government/military is just incompetent (among other unflattering things lol)..
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Well, guess they shouldn't have attacked our embassy then & been planning to commit even more attacks against us which triggered this sequence of events. 👆And no, we still aren't at war so that lame excuse doesn't work anyway. It's pretty clear the Iranian government/military is just incompetent (among other unflattering things lol)..
They only attacked your embassy (when it was empty) AFTER you killed their top military general.
And youre starting a war with this incompetent military? How smart.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You make a great point.
Lmao
Originally posted by Surtur
Its almost as if They dont like the US military being in Iraq hmm
Also I dont know how many of those were actually Iran, and how many were from Iranian linked/backed militia. Your source doesnt seem to differentiate the two.
Originally posted by Surtur
By Iran backed militia forces lead by their #2 shitbag.
Bingo.
The U.S. backs the Israeli military. But there is a difference between the two.
Now if it's shown Soleimani did what he did and the Iranian government had no clue that is different. But that would mean he went rogue to wage a proxy war, so you'd think they'd be grateful he died. Seems more like they knew of and approved of what he was doing.
Of course not once have they come out and said Soleimani acted without authorization.
Originally posted by Surtur
Now if it's shown Soleimani did what he did and the Iranian government had no clue that is different. But that would mean he went rogue to wage a proxy war, so you'd think they'd be grateful he died. Seems more like they knew of and approved of what he was doing.Of course not once have they come out and said Soleimani acted without authorization.
Don't forget that Iran is classified as a "Advanced Persistent Threat" to the United States from a Cybersecurity perspective. They have been waging cyberwarfare against Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the USA for a long time.
They are APT34 and APT33.
https://www.fireeye.com/current-threats/apt-groups.html
It is not just actual war they have been waging. Using cyberattacks, they can cause millions to billions of dollars in damage which is more harmful to a lot more American people than the paltry asymmetric warfare that they can wage "on the ground."
Originally posted by Darth Thor
They only attacked your embassy (when it was empty) AFTER you killed their top military general.And youre starting a war with this incompetent military? How smart.
Lmao
You sound like a guy who doesn’t know anything about armed conflict. Maybe stick to the fantasy sections of the forum. For political debates don’t suit you.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Don't forget that Iran is classified as a "Advanced Persistent Threat" to the United States from a Cybersecurity perspective. They have been waging cyberwarfare against Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the USA for a long time.They are APT34 and APT33.
https://www.fireeye.com/current-threats/apt-groups.html
It is not just actual war they have been waging. Using cyberattacks, they can cause millions to billions of dollars in damage which is more harmful to a lot more American people than the paltry asymmetric warfare that they can wage "on the ground."
Yeah it's the epitome of weasel games to pretend like Iran wasn't behind this. And they looove using proxies.
Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah it's the epitome of weasel games to pretend like Iran wasn't behind this. And they looove using proxies.
Oh, yes, the proxy thing. Both literal and technical proxies: they use them both.
Iran is NOT a good country. HOWEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Many do not like the US having their imperialistic fingers dipped into all the Middle Eastern countries. Why don't we just...completely withdraw from Afghanistan all the way to Israel? Just pull out of all of it. And protect our borders, domestically? Thoughts?
Originally posted by Surtur
Lol uh if we had a high ranking US general leading a group of israeli militia forces and attacked an embassy that would be us attacking somebody's embassy(say Irans). We wouldn't be able to weasel out cuz we used some proxies. We would have been guilty of attacking Iran.
He was personally on the ground leading them against U.S forces?
As far as I understand he was leading those troops to battle ISIS. But if he was on the ground leading attacks against the U.S then best to kill him when hes with the Militia, catch him in the act as it were.
Originally posted by Surtur
Now if it's shown Soleimani did what he did and the Iranian government had no clue that is different. But that would mean he went rogue to wage a proxy war, so you'd think they'd be grateful he died. Seems more like they knew of and approved of what he was doing.Of course not once have they come out and said Soleimani acted without authorization.
I get that but point is you (and when I say you forgive me I mean the U.S. military, and not you personally), killed enough of those militia guys. But killing an Iranian general (whether linked to them or not) is an act of war.