Originally posted by dadudemon
Touch it. Mess with it. Pull it down and back up. Wear the same mask for repeated hours and in some cases, for repeated days, without properly washing it. Sneeze or cough into it. Don't wear an eye shield in addition to not following immaculate face-mask protocols.It's tough/difficult to properly wear the facemask to get the 7% increase in protective benefits. However, wearing and using it improperly can and does make it the perfect breeding ground for respiratory illnesses such as coronavirus.
Don't take my word for it, take the advice and admonishment from actual medical professionals:
The mask is, at best, a useless placebo. At worst, a breading ground for illness due to almost everyone wearing and using them improperly.
I don't do any of the mask stuff u said I'm careful and I wash but I don't have eye shields.
Originally posted by Surtur
I don't do any of the mask stuff u said I'm careful and I wash but I don't have eye shields.
Don't forget to not touch anything that anyone else has touched while also wearing sterile medical gloves that are constantly swapped out.
Also, don't forget that you have the same chance dying while driving 30 minutes as you do from dying of the Coronavirus based on the serology test results which show it has infected far more people than originally estimated while also killing far fewer people than originally told to us.
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So if you're worried about dying from the coronavirus, make sure you balance those concerns, statistically, against the probabilities of dying from driving.
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There was an interesting video by a doctor who volunteered at a Corona ward in New York during the height of the outbreak there.
I don't mean to suggest it is representative, for one she doesn't seem to usually work in emergency rooms, but it was still very informative to hear a bit about her experiences, gives a more vivid picture of what these wards we hear so much about are actually like.
It seems like the masks value, as it is communicated in the media, is not so much in protecting yourself, but in making it less likely that you unwittingly infect anyone else, and just generally keeping pathogens close to you, rather than spreading them around.
That, paired with an increased awareness of the dangers, due to having a somewhat uncomfortable reminder in your face, seems to be why various agencies around the world have started to suggest, or even compel, their usage.
Placebo may be a valuable reason as well of course. Say if you think of it for the economy, if you can tell people that they are safer or keep others safer with masks, it might make it more likely they partake in economic activity that they wouldn't have otherwise for fear of the virus.
Proper usage is important of course, but apparently not paramount.
Originally posted by Artol
Proper usage is important of course, but apparently not paramount.
I was reading about proper usage a month ago and apparently, it's greater than paramount as in it's important for everyone to properly wear the masks as well as follow proper protocols or they can increase infection rates while wearing masks. However, when used properly, you can reduce, under lab environment conditions, the spread of the viruses in "breath" down to 0 from at least this sampling method:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2
This does not include adjusting your mask and touching things - remains untested but, logically, it will spread the virus and leave it for others to pick up. This is why they recommend you throw your mask away or replace it if you have to touch your mask.*
For respiratory droplets and aerosols, numbers of infected individuals who provided exhaled breath samples while not wearing or wearing a surgical face mask, respectively were: coronavirus (n=10 and 11), influenza virus (n=23 and 28) and rhinovirus (n=36 and 32)....but did not detect any virus in respiratory droplets or aerosols collected from participants wearing face masks, this difference was significant in aerosols and showed a trend toward reduced detection in respiratory droplets
Emphasis mine.
However, they had ruinous results when people did more than breathe through their masks: coughing. It it spreads the virus. They directly admit this in their conclusion (which is a sign of a great research team - they don't run directly to proving what they set out to prove and they looked for and documented ruinous variables.
Our findings indicate that surgical masks can efficaciously reduce the emission of influenza virus particles into the environment in respiratory droplets, but not in aerosols...
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2/figures/1
But, that leaves the door wide open for asymptomatics. They are far less likely to cough while passively fighting off the infection. The mask will help them not to spread the virus. But that requires they follow proper mask protocols...which almost no one is following.
They also cite the infection routes being largely unexplored and "unknown."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1879625717301773?via%3Dihub
*Additionally, respiratory droplets containing the virus can land on various objects or surfaces. Touching a contaminated object or surface and then touching your eyes, nose, or mouth can also lead to infection.
Surgical masks can’t protect against infection with SARS-CoV-2. Not only does the mask not filter out smaller aerosol particles, but air leakage also occurs through the sides of the mask as you inhale.
N95 respirators can protect against smaller respiratory droplets, such as those containing SARS-CoV-2. However, the CDC currently doesn’t recommendTrusted Source their use outside of healthcare settings.
Reserve N95 respirators for use by healthcare workers and first responders.
Only wear a surgical mask if you’re currently ill with COVID-19 or are caring for someone at home who can’t wear a mask.
Surgical masks are disposable. Don’t reuse them.
Replace your surgical mask if it becomes damaged or damp.
Always promptly discard your surgical mask in a closed garbage bin after removing it.
Clean your hands before putting your surgical mask on and after you take it off.
Additionally, clean your hands if you touch the front of the mask while you’re wearing it.
Clean your hands frequently using soap and water or an alcohol-based hand sanitizer. Try not to touch your eyes, nose, or mouth if your hands aren’t clean.
A surgical mask won’t protect you from contracting SARS-CoV-2. However, it can help prevent you from spreading the virus to others.
https://www.healthline.com/health/coronavirus-mask#takeaway
The coronavirus can stay on masks for up to a week which is why touching your mask even once could turn you mask into a petri dish having the exact opposite effect as intended.
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-long-covid19-can-last-on-face-masks-research-study-2020-4
And under any circumstances, don't touch your face-mask without first sanitizing your hands.
https://sea.mashable.com/culture/9925/dont-touch-the-outside-of-your-mask-heres-why
I did more research and it looks like I might be wrong. A meta-analsysis of randomized controlled trials on the efficacy of masks was undertaken, already.
Jacobs, J. L. et al. (2009) “Use of surgical face masks to reduce the incidence of the common cold among health care workers in Japan: A randomized controlled trial”, American Journal of Infection Control, Volume 37, Issue 5, 417 - 419. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19216002 N95-masked health-care workers (HCW) were significantly more likely to experience headaches. Face mask use in HCW was not demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds.
Cowling, B. et al. (2010) “Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: A systematic review”, Epidemiology and Infection, 138(4), 449-456. doi:10.1017/S0950268809991658 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic-review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05 None of the studies reviewed showed a benefit from wearing a mask, in either HCW or community members in households (H). See summary Tables 1 and 2 therein.
bin-Reza et al. (2012) “The use of masks and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: a systematic review of the scientific evidence”, Influenza and Other Respiratory Viruses 6(4), 257–267. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1750-2659.2011.00307.x “There were 17 eligible studies. … None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask ⁄ respirator use and protection against influenza infection.”
Smith, J.D. et al. (2016) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks in protecting health care workers from acute respiratory infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis”, CMAJ Mar 2016, cmaj.150835; DOI: 10.1503/cmaj.150835 https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567 “We identified 6 clinical studies ... In the meta-analysis of the clinical studies, we found no significant difference between N95 respirators and surgical masks in associated risk of (a) laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection, (b) influenza-like illness, or (c) reported work-place absenteeism.” 3
Offeddu, V. et al. (2017) “Effectiveness of Masks and Respirators Against Respiratory Infections in Healthcare Workers: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis”, Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 65, Issue 11, 1 December 2017, Pages 1934–1942, https://doi.org/10.1093/cid/cix681 https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/65/11/1934/4068747 “Self-reported assessment of clinical outcomes was prone to bias. Evidence of a protective effect of masks or respirators against verified respiratory infection (VRI) was not statistically significant”; as per Fig. 2c therein:
Radonovich, L.J. et al. (2019) “N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel: A Randomized Clinical Trial”, JAMA. 2019; 322(9): 824–833. doi:10.1001/jama.2019.11645 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214 “Among 2862 randomized participants, 2371 completed the study and accounted for 5180 HCW-seasons. … Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”
Long, Y. et al. (2020) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks against influenza: A systematic review and meta-analysis”, J Evid Based Med. 2020; 1- 9. https://doi.org/10.1111/jebm.12381 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/jebm.12381 “A total of six RCTs involving 9 171 participants were included. There were no statistically significant differences in preventing laboratory-confirmed influenza, laboratory-confirmed respiratory viral infections, laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection and influenza-like illness using N95 respirators and surgical masks. Meta-analysis indicated a protective effect of N95 respirators against laboratory-confirmed bacterial colonization (RR = 0.58, 95% CI 0.43-0.78). The
4 use of N95 respirators compared with surgical masks is not associated with a lower risk of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”
No RCT study with verified outcome shows a benefit for HCW or community members in households to wearing a mask or respirator. There is no such study. There are no exceptions.
Likewise, no study exists that shows a benefit from a broad policy to wear masks in public (more on this below).
Furthermore, if there were any benefit to wearing a mask, because of the blocking power against droplets and aerosol particles, then there should be more benefit from wearing a respirator (N95) compared to a surgical mask, yet several large meta-analyses, and all the RCT, prove that there is no such relative benefit.
Masks and respirators do not work.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340570735_Masks_Don't_Work_A_review_of_science_relevant_to_COVID-19_social_policy
Anyone doing anything for memorial day weekend given the current conditions?
I am having some people over later lol. It will be under 10 people total, only like 5 people total actually, plus a cat. Was actually gonna do it yesterday but it rained so we postponed.
We can sit out on my deck and drink and bbq and stuff while keeping a safe distance 🙂
Originally posted by Surtur
Anyone doing anything for memorial day weekend given the current conditions?I am having some people over later lol. It will be under 10 people total, only like 5 people total actually, plus a cat. Was actually gonna do it yesterday but it rained so we postponed.
We can sit out on my deck and drink and bbq and stuff while keeping a safe distance 🙂
You can just do it normally without taking all those measures. Unless you're wearing full body suits that were properly sanitized and adorned before meeting up, all those social distancing measures will be useless after you meet up.
Enjoy your BBQ. Keep an eye out for joggers.
617 deaths, yesterday. We passed the 1 month mark since states started re-opening.
I thought people were going to start dying left and right because they didn't obey the social distancing rules? We were told there would be a massive second wave as bad as or worse than the first. What's going on? Were...were we lied to? Surely not.
Across the nations, beaches, boardwalks, and bars are packed as people defy the social distancing and lockdown rules.
Probably a little bit has to do with the fact that the CDC released figures that said the Infection Fatality Rate is 0.27%.
Originally posted by truejedi
A mask keeps you from touching your mouth and nose before you get home and wash your hands. There is benefit there. Also, when will we start having fun with this and start wearing cosplay masks everywhere?
The opposite is true. A mask causes you to touch your face far more often than not wearing it which is why the research on this find no benefit to wearing a mask.
Holy shit, it's much worse in places like Chile.
Here's a video of anti-lockdown protesters bombarding the Chilean police, who are trying to enforce the lockdown measures, with Molotov cocktails.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/XR6fHfW74Wg/
Edit - I don't see anyone get hurt or die so you're not going to see a snuff film. I goes into slow motion and it looks cool like a scene out of a movie.
Originally posted by dadudemon
The opposite is true. A mask causes you to touch your face far more often than not wearing it which is why the research on this find no benefit to wearing a mask.
It is impossible to touch your mouth and nose when you have covered it with a mask. Not sure what research you are referring to, but it might be about people who wear their masks wrong.
Originally posted by truejedi
It is impossible to touch your mouth and nose when you have covered it with a mask. Not sure what research you are referring to, but it might be about people who wear their masks wrong.
Try not to hyperfocus on details that do not matter just to make your point.
Making contact with your face, including your eyes, is the problem.
The real problem is the masks cause people to constantly touch their face to scratch and adjust their mask which makes the situation far worse than just not wearing a mask at all.
Originally posted by truejedi
It is impossible to touch your mouth and nose when you have covered it with a mask. Not sure what research you are referring to, but it might be about people who wear their masks wrong.
this is true. even when the person adjusts their mask, there is typically no direct skin on skin contact. the most important safeguard is (as many have pointed out) the diffusion of propelled air from the lungs while breathing, sneezing, and coughing, which travels incredibly far when unmasked. of course this doesn't eliminate the danger as a masked infected person will still create pockets of infected air, but this is preferable to long widespread traveling streams of infected air.