Originally posted by Darth ThorWhirly is shutting up. This is awful news to be honest, at this rate we are none of us going to be able to retire when we want to etc. Each year is having an economic knock on effect.
Whirly is also depressing us all being right all the time.A few movies being moved to 2022 now. IOW studios assessing this shit wont be over in 2021.
Originally posted by Darth ThorThanks mate, I'm bringing up my fifth child, and have three grandkids now, I'm going to be working till I'm 70 I think. 😂
Whirlys a good man though 👆But yeah we will be working a long time. Its a good time to invest though. So that could help For those who have money to spare in these shitty times.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
He has always been a pushover. He was the same way under Reagan with regard to HIV/AIDS. I wonder how much better off the U.S. would be if there was someone in his position with a spine.
I think this statement is a bit ridiculous.
Maybe it's different in US, but Canadian public servants are essentially beholden to elected party decision making. Even if they disagree, they have to do what the elected officials ask (aside from the obvious illegal and etc decisions). This is the government that public wanted.
For instance, the Stephan Harper government removed the long-form census and the top official from Statistics Canada disagreed and resigned. The one thing he couldn't do is say "yeah not doing that".
So I think's a bit much to say for an bureaucrat should of had a "spine". You obviously have no idea on what happened behind the scenes...but even if he disagreed, what he do? Tell Regean to **** off and then just do what he feels is best?
As the public, you want your federal employees to do what the government wants...even if you disagree with whatever policy is set out.
Originally posted by Darth ThorLuckily yes, they are all over the place now, Oldest boy Scotland my youngest daughter here in Africa. Nut we are not out of the woods yet, my Uncle who is 81 had it and got over it, my sister in law and brother have both had it now and got over it. My parents are very old and like hamsters in a cage... They are having the first jab this coming week.
70 aint too bad!And wow, big family. Hope Youve all kept safe!
Originally posted by Smasandian
I think this statement is a bit ridiculous.Maybe it's different in US, but Canadian public servants are essentially beholden to elected party decision making. Even if they disagree, they have to do what the elected officials ask (aside from the obvious illegal and etc decisions). This is the government that public wanted.
For instance, the Stephan Harper government removed the long-form census and the top official from Statistics Canada disagreed and resigned. The one thing he couldn't do is say "yeah not doing that".
So I think's a bit much to say for an bureaucrat should of had a "spine". You obviously have no idea on what happened behind the scenes...but even if he disagreed, what he do? Tell Regean to **** off and then just do what he feels is best?
As the public, you want your federal employees to do what the government wants...even if you disagree with whatever policy is set out.
He literally makes life and death decisions for millions of people. His responsibility is to ensure the right outcomes for them. Under Reagan, 50,000 people died of AIDS. Under Trump, 400,000 people have died of COVID-19. Both times, pandemics happened under Republican presidents with Fauci at the wheel.
Originally posted by Smasandian
I hard disagree on this one. Blaming a public servant for this shitstorm is wrong. As a public servant, it's your duty to do what the elected officials require. The ulimate life or death decisions are on the president feet, not the adviser. You have no idea what happened behind the scenes.
His job is to be the expert, not a sycophant. His role is to tell the president what to do in a pandemic, not the other way around.
Originally posted by Adam_PoEHis role is to advise the President on what to do. Are you genuinely, in your heart of hearts, trying to assert here that the Chief Medical Advisor (that is literally his official government title) has some sort of discretionary authority over the President of the United States?
His job is to be the expert, not a sycophant. His role is to tell the president what to do in a pandemic, not the other way around.
Originally posted by Tzeentchhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/24/fauci-says-he-was-the-skunk-at-the-picnic-in-trumps-covid-team?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
His role is to advise the President on what to do. Are you genuinely, in your heart of hearts, trying to assert here that the Chief Medical Advisor (that is literally his official government title) has some sort of discretionary authority over the President of the United States?
Originally posted by Tzeentchhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/24/fauci-says-he-was-the-skunk-at-the-picnic-in-trumps-covid-team?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
His role is to advise the President on what to do. Are you genuinely, in your heart of hearts, trying to assert here that the Chief Medical Advisor (that is literally his official government title) has some sort of discretionary authority over the President of the United States?
Originally posted by Tzeentch
His role is to advise the President on what to do. Are you genuinely, in your heart of hearts, trying to assert here that the Chief Medical Advisor (that is literally his official government title) has some sort of discretionary authority over the President of the United States?
Also, as a citizen, you do not want federal employees to have that type of power. I assume they are required to follow the will of the elected officials with exemptions of course (ex. something being illegal). Or at least, that's how it's done in Canada in regards to the federal workforce.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Also, as a citizen, you do not want federal employees to have that type of power. I assume they are required to follow the will of the elected officials with exemptions of course (ex. something being illegal). Or at least, that's how it's done in Canada in regards to the federal workforce.
The thing is, a lifetime fereral employee is in a much better position to steer 1-2 term president. I'd bet withholding information to manipulate them is common place.
I cannot say from a US perspective but you wouldn't really see it in Canada.
Ministers are appointed by the part to specific departments. They have their own staff including a press secretary. Deputy ministers are senior level public servants that are appointed by the PM. Their main job is operational duties, budget and programming....but they can be dismissed if an opposition party belives the DM is too aligned with the previous governments policies.
Again, can't say about the US but most Canadian federal employees leave departments on a regular basis so it's unlikely you would have this situation. They might lifetime employees but are generally not lifetime employees at one specific government department. It's actually one of the key benefits for federal employees, the ability to move within departments.
However, in a situation like COVID-19, there would be absolutely no way a federal employee would hold information back for the chance of manipulation. I don't really see a reason to do so.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
He literally makes life and death decisions for millions of people. His responsibility is to ensure the right outcomes for them. Under Reagan, 50,000 people died of AIDS. Under Trump, 400,000 people have died of COVID-19. Both times, pandemics happened under Republican presidents with Fauci at the wheel.
I think you're being a bit harsh considering he has little authority in what a sitting President does with the advice he gives.
eg Reagan refused to publicly mention "HIV/AIDS" until 1985, four years after we knew about it. Fauci had no ability to force Reagan to do so, he had to sit by and watch Reagan pretend like it wasn't happening.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Haha...what? What are you talking about?His role is to tell what the President what to do...but all that is meaningless if the President doesn't take that advice. That's how the ****ing government is setup.
He did press briefings at the White House daily. If the president did not want to take his advice, he could have said as much to the press. Then you would see just how much power he has. The president will either catch so much heat from ignoring the pandemic expert that he changes course, or he will attempt to fire the pandemic expert for not toing the line, and catch even more. Either way, the pandemic expert works for the people, not the president, and they deserve to know what measures to take to stay safe, and if they have a president who is playing political games with people's lives.