Coronavirus

Originally posted by Tzeentch
His role is to advise the President on what to do. Are you genuinely, in your heart of hearts, trying to assert here that the Chief Medical Advisor (that is literally his official government title) has some sort of discretionary authority over the President of the United States?

Did I say that? The president does not have pandemic response expertise. The pandemic response expert does. That is why he is there, to be the expert. His job is to pushback against the president if he ignores expert advice. Not to go before the American people, and toe the presidential line.

Originally posted by Robtard
I think you're being a bit harsh considering he has little authority in what a sitting President does with the advice he gives.

eg Reagan refused to publicly mention "HIV/AIDS" until 1985, four years after we knew about it. Fauci had no ability to force Reagan to do so, he had to sit by and watch Reagan pretend like it wasn't happening.

At the height of the HIV/AIDS crisis, Fauci was criticized for being an arrogant, spotlight-seeking bureaucrat, and evidently, not much has changed. His colleagues at the American Academy of HIV Medicine say we need him working, more than we need him going on television every day to make Trump look good.

I don't have first hand knowledge of this, but when looking at wikipedia it does reference Fauci being heavily criticized or pushed for his response, although it also relays an anecdote that one of his fervent critics in retrospect considered him to be one of the few people in government taking it seriously.

"Leading AIDS activist Larry Kramer attacked Fauci relentlessly in the media.[22] He called him an "incompetent idiot" and a "pill-pushing" tool of the medical establishment. Fauci did not have control over drug approval though many people felt he was not doing enough. Fauci did make an effort in the late 1980s to reach out to the gay community in New York and San Francisco to find ways he and the NIAID could find a solution.[1] Though Fauci was initially admonished for his treatment of the AIDS epidemic, Fauci's work in the community was eventually acknowledged; Kramer, who had spent years hating Fauci for his treatment of the HIV/AIDS epidemic, eventually called him "the only true and great hero" among government officials in the AIDS crisis"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Fauci#HIV/AIDS_epidemic

Undercounting of Covid-19 deaths is greatest in pro-Trump areas, analysis shows

Tens of thousands of Covid-19 deaths are going unreported in the U.S., with far more missed in counties that strongly supported former President Trump, according to new research.

The figures suggest that political leanings have helped suppress the true scale of deaths. In cases where the deceased didn’t have a Covid-19 test, a coroner or medical examiner has the freedom to interpret symptoms.

“There’s potentially latitude to make a judgement call conditional on a set of beliefs about Covid and whether it represents a serious problem or a hoax,” said Andrew Stokes, a professor of global health at Boston University School of Public Health who performed the analysis for STAT. -snip

Wouldn't surprise me at all if true.

Originally posted by Robtard
Undercounting of Covid-19 deaths is greatest in pro-Trump areas, analysis shows

Tens of thousands of Covid-19 deaths are going unreported in the U.S., with far more missed in counties that strongly supported former President Trump, according to new research.

The figures suggest that political leanings have helped suppress the true scale of deaths. In cases where the deceased didn’t have a Covid-19 test, a coroner or medical examiner has the freedom to interpret symptoms.

“There’s potentially latitude to make a judgement call conditional on a set of beliefs about Covid and whether it represents a serious problem or a hoax,” said Andrew Stokes, a professor of global health at Boston University School of Public Health who performed the analysis for STAT. -snip

Wouldn't surprise me at all if true.

But of course

Originally posted by Robtard
But of course

Hmm I thought only China lied about Covid deaths.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Hmm I thought only China lied about Covid deaths.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I know much of the third world is. I suspect much of the 1sr and 2nd is too.

Meant its Ironic. The excuse early on for China handling Covid so much better than the U.S. was that they were lying about their true death count.

Skip around 10 months and Seems the “China” Virus hasnt done much harm to China.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Meant its Ironic. The excuse early on for China handling Covid so much better than the U.S. was that they were lying about their true death count.

Skip around 10 months and Seems the “China” Virus hasnt done much harm to China.

Originally posted by Robtard
Undercounting of Covid-19 deaths is greatest in pro-Trump areas, analysis shows

Tens of thousands of Covid-19 deaths are going unreported in the U.S., with far more missed in counties that strongly supported former President Trump, according to new research.

The figures suggest that political leanings have helped suppress the true scale of deaths. In cases where the deceased didn’t have a Covid-19 test, a coroner or medical examiner has the freedom to interpret symptoms.

“There’s potentially latitude to make a judgement call conditional on a set of beliefs about Covid and whether it represents a serious problem or a hoax,” said Andrew Stokes, a professor of global health at Boston University School of Public Health who performed the analysis for STAT. -snip

Wouldn't surprise me at all if true.

Alabama has been doing the same. Everything is open there, including the public schools. Teachers started dying of COVID, and they tried to keep it quiet. Now that 30 public school employees have died, and they are starting to rethink things. Teachers are not currently prioritized for the vaccine in Alabama, nor are they required to take it.

Sounds like a recipe for fail.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sounds like a recipe for fail.

Trump politicized the virus, so Republicans followed suit. If it is a Democratic hoax designed to hurt the reelection of Trump, then they cannot treat it as if it is real. Otherwise, they are RINO Traitors in League with the Deep-State Satanic Pedophile DemonRats™. That is true for all Republicans, whether they are elected officials, or rank-and-file voters. So they cannot back-track now, because that would be an acknowledgement that they were wrong or misled. So they either have to double-down, or put the blinders on, and pretend it is not happening.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Did I say that? The president does not have pandemic response expertise. The pandemic response expert does. That is why he is there, to be the expert. His job is to pushback against the president if he ignores expert advice. Not to go before the American people, and toe the presidential line.

So yes it makes no sense to blame Fauci for the presidents' buffoonery.

Sounds like the Johnson & Johnson vaccine will be approved and ready to be shipped in 60-90 days.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sounds like the Johnson & Johnson vaccine will be approved and ready to be shipped in 60-90 days.

So 2-3 months before it starts being used.

Still looks like we will be in this shit for most of 2021.

Reading more on it now, as I initially caught the tail end of a radio news clip.

Johnson & Johnson is in Phase 3, they're doing live testing now, results could be back in 1-2 weeks. If it works and is approved, they claim to be able to produce/deliver 100million doses by June and this one seems to be single shot only.

So it seems the vaccine could be available for widespread use within a month, if approved.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
If the president is allowed to ignore literally everything the response expert says with absolutely zero consequence because that is how the balance of power shakes out between the two. In fact the President can snap his fingers and fire the pandemic response expert and hire someone more willing to suck his dick at the drop of a hat.

So yes it makes no sense to blame Fauci for the presidents' buffoonery.

And? Either he is committed to informing the public, or he is committed to repeating White House talking points. I do not know what you think that makes him look better.

So you're asserting that he's bad because he didn't resign from his position (and possibly go to jail assuming he leaks classified info) out of protest. What a appeal to emotion. If he retired/got fired for insubordination he would have just been replaced by someone even more useless.

It's clear that your beef is actually with how the system itself functions and not the man.