Is thought Robot Superman?

Started by qwertyuiop19986 pages

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
they symmetry comes from them being the same energy just on opposite ends of the spectrum
But is Superman who was in controlling, And it was his essence(stories) powering TR
Like I said before, If you making a thread asking which version Hal is the most powerful, Then i'm sure Hal W Krona power gauntlet will be there, Or Black lantern ring etcetcetc
Those items only used( One particularly be used) by someone has always been considered as a version of the user) Like GLs, Superman with Superman sword etcetcetc

Originally posted by -Pr-
Let's say I agree with you; what difference does that actually make?

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Superman and Ultraman are smashed together, and that composite being that has Superman's personality (for the comic at least) pilots the armour.

I don't see what the issue is. Again, I ask, if I agreed with you, what difference would that make?

So a personality is enough to justify composite status? So every being that's possessed another has that powerset as part of composite? Idk....sounds iffy.

And in this case not even a being....a piece of equipment

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But is Superman who was in controlling, And it was his essence(stories) powering TR
Like I said before, If you making a thread asking which version Hal is the most powerful, Then i'm sure Hal W Krona power gaunlet will be there, Or Black lantern ring etcetcetc
Those items only used( One particularly be used) by someone has always been considered as a version of the user) Like GLs, Superman with Superman sword etcetcetc

I see what you’re say. That still doesn’t change the fact that it came from Ultraman. Symmetry means that same but from different ends. Like on an axis

Originally posted by Putinbot1
No difference tbh, I'm merely being semantic and pedantic and also pasting relatively benign discussion bait.

Hey, i'll take that over half the "discussions" I see on this forum most days.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
So a personality is enough to justify composite status? So every being that's possessed another has that powerset as part of composite? Idk....sounds iffy.

And in this case not even a being....a piece of equipment

I never claimed that it was a composite, did I?

I said it was a suit he controlled/wore to fight Mandrakk. Which it was. I'm not trying to be a dick here; I'm just genuinely unsure of what the issue is.

If you use Superman in a thread, he can't use the Thought Robot. If you use the Thought Robot, it's only ever been seen (that I know of) being controlled by Superman, so that's the version we'd use.

Also, @qwertyuiop1998 Difference being that all those versions are the actual character using some device or amp. This is more like a robot using a sentience. The actual character is literally nowhere to be found

Originally posted by -Pr-
Hey, i'll take that over half the "discussions" I see on this forum most days.

I never claimed that it was a composite, did I?

I said it was a suit he controlled/wore to fight Mandrakk. Which it was. I'm not trying to be a dick here; I'm just genuinely unsure of what the issue is.

If you use Superman in a thread, he can't use the Thought Robot. If you use the Thought Robot, it's only ever been seen (that I know of) being controlled by Superman, so that's the version we'd use.

It's a mech powered by the consciousness of Superman and Ultraman. He pilots it, it isn't him. Or else when it got trashed, Superman woulda been damaged

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It's a mech powered by the consciousness of Superman and Ultraman. He pilots it, it isn't him. Or else when it got trashed, Superman woulda been damaged

Superman felt pain when it was damaged, though. So it's not like he's just logged in from an outside PC.

Well, yeah his consciousness is in it, so he felt something, but ask him... (did you die?)

His not dying, to you, somehow lessens his involvement?

My post is gone

Originally posted by -Pr-
His not dying, to you, somehow lessens his involvement?

I mean, yeah..

TR is in the sense that it required 2 versions of superman to pilot it and that the consciousness is required. But outside of that he’s technically a completely different character

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If Thanos has the IG, apparently he's not a version of Thanos....

Thanos never talked to the gauntlet though.

The monitors made mention of Thought Robots sacrifice. After it blew out its eyes from that final burst of heat vision, the monitors talked as if it critically injured itself and gave up its very existence.

This isn't something you'd say if Superman was in charge, as he sacrificed nothing. Wrecking a mech is not a cause for condolence.

Fine. Let's use Katana and her sword, or indeed any other character using any equipment. BRB talks to Stormbreaker. Kyle talks to his ring. Punisher talks to his guns.

All you and others are doing are splitting hairs. Batman wielding a GL ring is still A version of Batman. Surfer wielding Mjolnir is still A version of Surfer. Superman wielding a giant mech suit made up of the metatextual story of Superman is still A version of Superman. Tony Stark in the Thorbuster is still A version of Tony, or Iron Man or whatever.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fine. Let's use Katana and her sword, or indeed any other character using any equipment. BRB talks to Stormbreaker. Kyle talks to his ring. Punisher talks to his guns.

All you and others are doing are splitting hairs. Batman wielding a GL ring is still A version of Batman. Surfer wielding Mjolnir is still A version of Surfer. Superman wielding a giant mech suit made up of the metatextual story of Superman is still A version of Superman. Tony Stark in the Thorbuster is still A version of Tony, or Iron Man or whatever.

Never said I disagreed TR is a version of Superman. 🙂

I made a comment that is somehow lost, about how TR is essentially the living story of Superman. Superman himself was the current mainstream iteration, while Ultraman represents the "non mainstream" variants, such as Injustice Superman.

In that context, it's a Superman. Whether mainstream Superman was actually controlling the thing, or merely animating it the same way Asgardian Destroyer is animated, yet retains its own personality, is the question.

Doesn't Odin control the Destroyer who battles the 4th host?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Doesn't Odin control the Destroyer who battles the 4th host?

Maestro animated Destroyer, but Destroyer clearly was the one driving.

Yeah, but Hulk has a weak spirit. We see it with the destroyer, with Thanos, with TOBA etc.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Yeah, but Hulk has a weak spirit. We see it with the destroyer, with Thanos, with TOBA etc.

Conceded. 👆

Originally posted by cdtm
Maestro animated Destroyer, but Destroyer clearly was the one driving.

I'm pretty sure Maestro is controlling it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Hey, i'll take that over half the "discussions" I see on this forum most days.

Who'd of thought you'd be saying that to me fifteen years ago? Our relationship has come a long way! 👆