Is thought Robot Superman?

To clarify...

Superman and Ultraman were dualities: comprised of normal matter/good, and anti-matter/bad.

Thought-Robot could only be activated by the tremendous energies unleashed during collisions of fundamental opposing qualities:
https://i.imgur.com/FsHrHjh.jpg

So Allen merged the essences of Superman and Ultraman(ie. matter and anti-matter), and used the resulting energy to activate Thought-Robot:
https://i.imgur.com/5LRkLT9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/L3YM0c3.jpg

But make no mistake: once activated, Thought-Robot was exclusively channeling the the idea/story/concept of SUPERMAN(ie. the most powerful story in DC.) Hence Allen's final line: "Only Superman can save us now."

Originally posted by Galan007
To clarify...

Superman and Ultraman were dualities: comprised of normal matter/good, and anti-matter/bad.

Thought-Robot could only be activated by the tremendous energies unleashed during collisions of fundamental opposing qualities:
https://i.imgur.com/FsHrHjh.jpg

So Allen merged the essences of Superman and Ultraman(ie. matter and anti-matter), and used the resulting energy to activate Thought-Robot:
https://i.imgur.com/5LRkLT9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/L3YM0c3.jpg

But make no mistake: once activated, Thought-Robot was exclusively channeling the the idea/story/concept of SUPERMAN(ie. the most powerful story in DC.) Hence Allen's final line: "Only Superman can save us now."

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while iron man is in his suit, the energy and power isn’t being supplied by tony stark.
Same thing with the ring, hall has his will but the ring has its own power.. The TR is powered by Superman and his stories with Superman in control.

Originally posted by Diesldude
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while iron man is in his suit, the energy and power isn’t being supplied by tony stark.
Same thing with the ring, hall has his will but the ring has its own power.. The TR is powered by Superman and his stories with Superman in control.

The duality being another version of Superman.....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The duality being another version of Superman.....

In comics you don't really need to be the exact same person in order to be an alternate version of them tbf.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
In comics you don't really need to be the exact same person in order to be an alternate version of them tbf.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
In comics you don't really need to be the exact same person in order to be an alternate version of them tbf.

Yes.

That is why I was like "wtf" when 616 and Ultimate Tony were said to be the exact same person, even though they have different pupils, bodies, origins (Ult's Tony's is all sort of f*cked up) and so on.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
but it needs a duality to start as pointed out many times. Tony and Hal can start their plot devices independently.

But once activated, Thought-Robot was exclusively channeling the story/concept/idea of Superman alone(as noted by both Allen and Zillo Valla.) It was also Superman himself speaking through Thought-Robot, and Thought-Robot itself was obviously modeled in Superman's image from the very beginning:
https://i.imgur.com/H8LUjZA.jpg

So if you guys are talking about the ability to simply activate Thought-Robot, then no, Superman cannot do it alone. However, without the 'all-powerful' story of Superman to fuel it once activated, Thought-Robot would have been entirely useless. The hyper-tech was quite literally made for him.

Originally posted by Galan007
It required the energy generated by merging the opposing essences of Superman(normal matter) and Ultraman(anti-matter) to activate/start Thought-Robot, yes.

But once activated, Thought-Robot was exclusively channeling the story/concept/idea of Superman alone(as noted by both Allen and Zillo Valla.) It was also Superman himself speaking through Thought-Robot, and Thought-Robot itself was obviously modeled in Superman's image from the very beginning:
https://i.imgur.com/H8LUjZA.jpg

So if you guys are talking about the ability to simply activate Thought-Robot, then no, Superman cannot do it alone. However, without the 'all-powerful' story of Superman to fuel it once activated, Thought-Robot would have been entirely useless. The hyper-tech was quite literally made for him.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
I don't disagree on any of that Bardock and it shows Superman could not activate the thought robot without ultraman. It's like saying thor is mjolnir. Thought Robot was a tool in this case for a meta textual narrative. Superman wielding activated thought robot would be a better description.

Not the best analogy with post Aaron Thor. 🙂

Haven't heard the one about a sentient galaxy sized "Mother storm" in the hammer, that morphed into Jane Foster all on its own?

I envy you if you have not.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I mean, yeah..

TR is in the sense that it required 2 versions of superman to pilot it and that the consciousness is required. But outside of that he’s technically a completely different character

No, one Superman piloted it.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Who'd of thought you'd be saying that to me fifteen years ago? Our relationship has come a long way! 👆

True.

Actually, re-reading it, it's obvious Superman is in control. Ultraman is said to be in the background.

Originally posted by cdtm
Actually, re-reading it, it's obvious Superman is in control. Ultraman is said to be in the background.

Yeah, Ultraman is like a backseat driver yelling, but Superman is the one actively in control.

Yeah, Ultraman was already one of Mandrakk's minions at the time:
https://i.imgur.com/pqy1Fkz.jpg

If he were in control of Thought-Robot at all, things would have gone much differently.

I think people also get stuck in the 'robot' part. It's the very essence of Superman - the unbeatable defender from the most powerful story in its very idea/thought form:

It's why when Superman went up against the hyper-story consumer that is Mandrakk, he realized that his/the Cosmic Armor's [i.e. the same thing, since its the story of Superman] purpose is to stop Mandrakk [who represents the ultimate anti-story/evil].

That's why "Only Superman can save us". The thought robot is Superman - his story in its purest essence.

This was...so blatant? Or are we pretending its not just to have some trollish fun -- and, for the umpteenth time, ask ourselves why Alberto still posts?

👆 Some people need to focus less on "robot", and more on "thought".

Superman isn't sitting inside of the cockpit of this thing controlling it like some Power Rangers mecha.

Thought-Robot is metafictional Monitor hyper-tech that is being controlled/powered by the fundamental essence/idea of Superman's story.

You're repeating stuff I already addressed from the beginning

I'll just say this though.

if that’s the case the god killer suit Ironman piloted in can be classed as comp Ironman even though he neither made it nor did it really have any analog to his abilities

Your lucky you haven’t been banned

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
You're repeating stuff I already addressed from the beginning

I'll just say this though.

if that’s the case the god killer suit Ironman piloted in can be classed as comp Ironman even though he neither made it nor did it really have any analog to his abilities

Commenting on it isn't the same as addressing it.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Your lucky you haven’t been banned

...So are you?