Originally posted by Senor Cage
Well, Shiva did out maneuver Shadowdragon. Why didn't Kara use her speed against Shiva?
So you believe that a kryptonian using their speed and not holding back severely, is slower than a street leveler?
And Elektra actually paralyzed and defeated the Red She Hulk with one attack, not just some brief ownage that didn't have a lasting effect.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The more I learn about Shiva, the less I respect her.She's all hype, yes? All those years blowing her scarce few feats out of proportion... and for what?
Exactly, she has a lot of hype but not that many feats to support it. Especially when using only rebirth feats, that's why her side keeps bringing up the same feats over and over.
And those feats are not any better than what Elektra has consistently done. It didn't take long to get a concession in the feat vs feat comparison.
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Cdtm mentioning the Richard Dragon fight is all kinds of retarded.
First she got decked by him and he allowed her to get up, pissing her off as he was holding back.
Then he had her dead to rights, but the fight was interrupted.
So it's 2:1 for Dragon in that fight and Shiva's "win" is very dubious at best, as seen above.
Originally posted by Supermutant
So you believe that a kryptonian using their speed and not holding back severely, is slower than a street leveler?And Elektra actually paralyzed and defeated the Red She Hulk with one attack, not just some brief ownage that didn't have a lasting effect.
Didnt cassandra go toe to toe with kara too? Batman one-shotted Grundy (who was taking on Gotham), shiva was able to humiliate SG, who has better reflexes, speed, etc... most top tier streets have these types of feats, which is why I dont put too much stock into who has the greater strength or speed in comics. When it comes to these types of battles, it comes down to skill.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Didnt cassandra go toe to toe with kara too? Batman one-shotted Grundy (who was taking on Gotham), shiva was able to humiliate SG, who has better reflexes, speed, etc... most top tier streets have these types of feats, which is why I dont put too much stock into who has the greater strength or speed in comics. When it comes to these types of battles, it comes down to skill.
So you didn't mean this.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Dang. Shiva owned a kryptonian. Kryptonian>>all.
These types of battles comes down to a lot of different things. Stats are important as well as skill, so is tech or esoteric powers like Domino's luck. Skill isn't the only thing.
By with that being said, Elekta's skill is elite. She doesn't take a back seat to Shiva in skill. Certainly not based on anything presented thus far. Elektra has used pressure points attacks, fought w/o being able to see, etc. She is someone that is capable of re-training Daredevil similar to how Shiva re-trained Bats. She recently became his new "Stick."
Originally posted by Supermutant
So you didn't mean this.These types of battles comes down to a lot of different things. Stats are important as well as skill, so is tech or esoteric powers like Domino's luck. Skill isn't the only thing.
By with that being said, Elekta's skill is elite. She doesn't take a back seat to Shiva in skill. Certainly not based on anything presented thus far. Elektra has used pressure points attacks, fought w/o being able to see, etc. She is someone that is capable of re-training Daredevil similar to how Shiva re-trained Bats. She recently became his new "Stick."
Of course stats count somewhat, but when it comes to MA/street battles skill is what counts most. I'd peg Shiva just as skilled, if not more so than Elektra. I'd also put Batman above Matt, skill wise too, imo.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Don't forget that she retrained Wolverine, too.
Elektra trained bone-claw Wolverine into resisting an animal like mindset. She disarmed him, flips him around a bunch, and owns him for most of it. She finally fulfilled her purpose in getting him to think like a warrior which resulted in a stalemate.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
👆The final result was so good, Logan was able to dodge and block strikes from Stick.
She also trained the Punisher, being consistently shown as superior to him... and Frank, despite preferring guns, is easily Black Widow level.
✅ on 2nd page as well. She owned Pun in ways that even Daredevil and Spider-man haven't come close too.