Originally posted by Darth Thor
I get it. You wanna take advantage of this worldwide threat to wipe out your massive debts to China. Not gonna happen.Maybe instead Elect a more competent President next time who takes global pandemics more seriously instead of claiming they are some kind of democratic hoax. That way you can grow more mature instead of blaming other nations for all your problems.
Don’t you live in Canada or some on wanna be state? Yes your leader is prolly so much better..cough
Originally posted by Nibedicus
YouTube video
Bingo, China thoroughly owns this crisis and something needs to be done to prevent them from doing it again.
And here is a link to the study mentioned in the video:
Early and combined interventions crucial in tackling Covid-19 spread in China
"The research also found that if interventions in the country could have been conducted one week, two weeks, or three weeks earlier, cases could have been reduced by 66 percent, 86 percent and 95 percent respectively – significantly limiting the geographical spread of the disease. However, if NPIs were conducted one week, two weeks, or three weeks later than they were, the number of cases may have shown a 3-fold, 7-fold, or 18-fold increase, respectively."
China lied, people died.
Chinese factor notwithstanding, POTUS Donald Trump was also being irresponsible.
FYI: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/18/us/trump-coronavirus-statements-timeline.html
How is that excusable?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Chinese factor notwithstanding, POTUS Donald Trump was also being irresponsible.FYI: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/18/us/trump-coronavirus-statements-timeline.html
How is that excusable?
Way I see it, China f***ed the world. Then tag teamed with the WHO.
The world leaders like Trump who were slow and dismissive only joined in the Bukake part of the whole tragedy.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Chinese factor notwithstanding, POTUS Donald Trump was also being irresponsible.FYI: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/18/us/trump-coronavirus-statements-timeline.html
How is that excusable?
There are definitely things Trump could have done better, but if China hadn't been so lax on these wet markets and then lied about this virus we more than likely wouldn't be discussing Trump's response because no response would have been necessary from him.
Does this mean you can't want Trump to do better? No, but it does mean the blame should ultimately be put where it truly belongs if we are to go around assigning blame at all.
The world needs to think about what we're going to do to make sure this never happens again. China needs to be held responsible in some way. At least forced to shut down these markets again. And if they become lax on that enforcement there needs to be some sort of consequence.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDhey legend long time no see. How ya doing bud
Chinese factor notwithstanding, POTUS Donald Trump was also being irresponsible.FYI: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/18/us/trump-coronavirus-statements-timeline.html
How is that excusable?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Chinese factor notwithstanding, POTUS Donald Trump was also being irresponsible.FYI: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/18/us/trump-coronavirus-statements-timeline.html
How is that excusable?
It's not.
Trump undeniably shat the bed.
Originally posted by Raptor22
hey legend long time no see. How ya doing bud
Originally posted by Surtur
There are definitely things Trump could have done better, but if China hadn't been so lax on these wet markets and then lied about this virus we more than likely wouldn't be discussing Trump's response because no response would have been necessary from him.Does this mean you can't want Trump to do better? No, but it does mean the blame should ultimately be put where it truly belongs if we are to go around assigning blame at all.
The world needs to think about what we're going to do to make sure this never happens again. China needs to be held responsible in some way. At least forced to shut down these markets again. And if they become lax on that enforcement there needs to be some sort of consequence.
My take is that there is a lesson in this outbreak for the entire world.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Way I see it, China f***ed the world. Then tag teamed with the WHO.The world leaders like Trump who were slow and dismissive only joined in the Bukake part of the whole tragedy.
Originally posted by ares834
It's not.Trump undeniably shat the bed.
My tinfoil hat-level conspiracy theory: Virus was released intentionally by China, within its population. This was done to avoid blame (hard to blame the victim, after all). It used its control of the WHO and western media to delay travel bans, social media/fake news network to trick simpleton politicans like Trump to downplay its risks and then used the western media to make the disease as scary and dangerous as possible as soon as it was too late to stop it.
The benefits for China are HUGE: China squashed the Hongkong protests, gained even more power over its own population (as ppl have become more pliable and are willing to sacrifice even more of their freedom for safety), managed to make their Asian neighbooring countries dependent/grateful/indebted to them (they have even begun stealing territory again) and most of all, destroyed the Western economy.
At the end of all this, China will gain FAR more than it has lost and may well be to top global economic power for the next decades.
Of course, this is just a theory. A NIBTheory!!!
Originally posted by Nibedicus
My tinfoil hat-level conspiracy theory: Virus was released intentionally by China, within its population. This was done to avoid blame (hard to blame the victim, after all). It used its control of the WHO and western media to delay travel bans, social media/fake news network to trick simpleton politicans like Trump to downplay its risks and then used the western media to make the disease as scary and dangerous as possible as soon as it was too late to stop it.The benefits for China are HUGE: China squashed the Hongkong protests, gained even more power over its own population (as ppl have become more pliable and are willing to sacrifice even more of their freedom for safety), managed to make their Asian neighbooring countries dependent/grateful/indebted to them (they have even begun stealing territory again) and most of all, destroyed the Western economy.
At the end of all this, China will gain FAR more than it has lost and may well be to top global economic power for the next decades.
Of course, this is just a theory. A NIBTheory!!!
Damn! I completely forgot about the whole Hong Kong debacle in the face of the virus. I mean I didn’t really care to begin with, but prior to the virus, it was in the back of my head. But now, until I read your post, I absolutely forgot about it.
You sir, have won the internet for the day. If you don’t log on tmr, then we’ll know China got you.
God speed
Originally posted by Surtur
There are definitely things Trump could have done better, but if China hadn't been so lax on these wet markets and then lied about this virus we more than likely wouldn't be discussing Trump's response because no response would have been necessary from him.
How is China deliberately withholding knowledge of the outbreak any different than Trump doing the same?
He knew about COVID-19 in January, but withheld testing, because he wanted to keep infection numbers artificially low to help his reelection campaign.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
He knew about COVID-19 in January, but withheld testing, because he wanted to keep infection numbers artificially low to help his reelection campaign.
Do you have a primary source for that?
Because that seems like very stupid logic. Doing anything at all to show he is on top of things and a strong leader would have helped his reelection bid.
But, but...that is Trump.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
How is China deliberately withholding knowledge of the outbreak any different than Trump doing the same?He knew about COVID-19 in January, but withheld testing, because he wanted to keep infection numbers artificially low to help his reelection campaign.
I see that you've been watching people like Maddow.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Do you have a primary source for that?Because that seems like very stupid logic. Doing anything at all to show he is on top of things and a strong leader would have helped his reelection bid.
But, but...that is Trump.
If he's talking about the testing delay I will note Dr. Fauci has said Trump wasn't to blame.
Originally posted by Surtur
If he's talking about the testing delay I will note Dr. Fauci has said Trump wasn't to blame.
I see. And Fauci was praised by Pelosi as a "truth teller." So he has bipartisan support.
Interesting. And thanks for this info.
Be fair to Adam_Poe: he was criticizing Trump, in general, for downplaying COVID-19. And then not putting in more effort around getting testing done (with the corresponding quarantines that go with a positive result).
However, I'm still of the position that COVID-19 wasn't downplayed enough and it is still largely a mass-hysteria hoax that is unjustified.
Look back at Italy: they were at 20k flu deaths around the end of Feb. They are likely around 25K. 25K!
And according to actual research, old people who died from COVID-19 are 57% likely to have other life-ending microbes in their system, as well (but COVID-19 is the big scary so they are tallied up as the killers instead of pointing to one of the other infections as the cause).
But COVID-19 is the big scary, right? We've been significantly above and only slightly below pandemic levels for the seasonal flu. Where are the news stories about it? It's killing anywhere from 5x tom 50x the amount of people as COVID-19. And we are in a giant uncharacteristic spike at the moment:
Deaths per day? Going down in Italy. New cases, new deaths: all going down in Italy. It's as if what I was saying 4 days ago was correct: they already hit population saturation. The quarantines they implemented recently were too late. With an incubation period of up to 14 days, all the infection deaths happening he last few days were from 1-2 weeks ago. the quarantines in Italy came too late.
But I'm just gaslighitng, right? Then why have I been right with the numbers time after time after time?
I'm also right about the actual infection numbers (what we have are very low as most people only get medical attention when they are ill so this greatly inflates mortality rates) being super high in Italy. 😐
They likely have 10 times the number of cases than is reported: