Obsidian v Silver Surfer (black)

Originally posted by beatboks
You know but what you say is contradicted by the evidence.

In the Darkest Night arc Todd used starheart energy. During the time he took Alan to the starheart realm he did also. The starheart itself told Alan that it could control Todd because his shadow power was linked to the starheart.

The JSA were flooded with the life energy that Karkull absorbed. Energy he gained from future souls. This energy gave them longer lives and greater vitality for those extended years. Its literally why they are still active adventueres in their 90's 100's.

Ian cant "touch" anyone yet affects them.
Obsidian as I've already shown has multiple incidents of affecting things that cant be touched.
Never mind the fact that Todd has controlled people without ever coming into contact with them, from a distance at that.

Your arguments simply aren't logical

COMPLETELY false. Let me debunk you again, I'M the RIGHT ONE. You got the RIGHT one today son 😂

1. Spectre never said he absorbed life energy , spectre said he stole time from random begins in the future ..

Spectre:
"He stole time from the future"

READ:

EVEN FATE confirmed it
Have read this books
Fate said , "he captured time "
READ:

\YES ian can feed on soul.. But I already addressed this before ..
He NEEDS to take the victim into the shadow realm first, what he wouldn't be able to do to surfer , and go there to feed on him
The same mr rice , made it clear HE DOES IT GRADUALLY.. He doesn't just look at you and take your soul.

PROOF:

The scan you posted , didn't mention anything like that

How will he get surfer into the shadow realm ..?
Read what rice said ..
"Every time he comes here (into the shadow realm), he takes a little more of me"
They don't die or anything , it isn't literal straight soul absorption ..
Gradually, That's how he feeds on soul , which wouldn't help here

READ:

These are the scans
PLEASE read them and show me where it was stated todd absorbed his soul ..
He absorbed him into himself/shadowland ...
They've ALWAYS been able to do that:

Todd didn't absorb ian's soul
He absorbed ian into himself ...
He became greater/Became the shadowlands itself, he said ian opened a bottomless pit when he tapped into his darkness and now he's the shadowlands.... What the hell are you talking about lmao

AND you're ignoring the fact surfer can hurt him
You've all forgotten that this shadow force users counter is light blasts ..
UV light , even green lantern's light , star girls shooting star worked too. Don't make me pull the scans up, i swear its like these dudes don't read for shit

😂

A star that lit up a world while he had little power left ..
Even his power blasts will work too, But let's ignore how I posted the scan

Surfer can DESTROY his astral self too

I swear y'all make this TOO easy for me. dc dudes never learn man

....why do you need to get personal and abusive?

what did i say that was "abusive" or "personal"

😂 Y'ALL can bash carver all day but when I say "son" it's an issue, man bequiet lmao, stop being soft. your boy getting destroyed on this thread, no need to be captain save-a-pants

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
what did i say that was "abusive" or "personal"

😂 Y'ALL can bash carver all day but when I say "son" it's an issue, man bequiet lmao, stop being soft. your boy getting destroyed on this thread, no need to be captain save-a-pants

Captain save-a-pants? Name-calling now?

Have you read the forum rules yet? Your Street Fighter comics? Your Moon Knight comics?

i swear its like these dudes don't read for shit

that's not getting personal, that's stating a fact. I'm exposing this guys so called knowledge on obsidian PRETTY bad. Maybe he's like a god to you due to being on this forum for your whole life idk 😂

I ignored you on the street fighter thread because you asked a dumb question, sin and others were nice enough to answer your question, if you feel salty about it, don't care.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
that's not getting personal, that's stating a fact. I'm exposing this guys so called knowledge on obsidian PRETTY bad. Maybe he's like a god to you due to being on this forum for your whole life idk 😂

That's true, I'm nearly 9 and still owning you 🙂

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I ignored you on the street fighter thread because you asked a dumb question, sin and others were nice enough to answer your question, if you feel salty about it, don't care.

Lol you still don't get it after all this time.....

I knew that SF comics were different from the manga. I was waiting for you to confess that you were using manga versions in your head 😂

like how deathseed Iceman was a dream right?

😂 😂 NAH NAH NAH, we not derailing to avoid your boy getting destroyed. I'll reply to you when you have anything relevant to say on obsidian

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
like how deathseed Iceman was a dream right?

😂 😂 NAH NAH NAH, we not derailing to avoid your boy getting destroyed. I'll reply to you when you have anything relevant to say on obsidian

Lol you still think my Salma Hayek posts were serious? Oh man, you are indeed as mindless as one of Anti-Monitor's shadow demons - which Obsidian one shot.

But please, tell me, have you read the forum rules yet? THAT'S on topic LMAO.

I will gladly be a judge if this BZ between Alberto and BB happens.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
COMPLETELY false. Let me debunk you again, I'M the RIGHT ONE. You got the RIGHT one today son 😂

1. Spectre never said he absorbed life energy , spectre said he stole time from random begins in the future ..

Spectre:
"He stole time from the future"

READ:

Todd didn't absorb ian's soul
He absorbed ian into himself ...
He became greater/Became the shadowlands itself, he said ian opened a bottomless pit when he tapped into his darkness and now he's the shadowlands.... What the hell are you talking about lmao

Just love your denial.
Quoting only half of the statement
"He stole time from the future somehow from the future LIVES of random human beings"

Maybe you should try reading all the words and not just looking at the pretty pictures.

So are you telling me that when someone absorbs a nom corporeal being they dont absorb the soul? Likenthenonly rhing that is non corporeal for everyone? Pathetic, absolitely pathetic.

There are literally several dozen times when powerful light eneegy has been blasted at Obsidian and done him no harm whatsoever

During underworld unleashed when the evil souls of hell were free and so many souls on earth were darker done their deals with Neron Obsidian's power was vastly increased at the same time as he was overcome by the vastly greater darkness he sensed and felt in the world around him. He could suddenly fight in several parts of the city at once casually sending portions of his shadow to port his team mates out of harms way (or their attacking adversaries)

You claim Todd doesnt use the starheart, but he is the living embodiment of the darkness within it

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/lSrs1l-MP8Qs0aKp-I3qkHu712AEJ8OLahsHc1qi_cXI7eCIhICgw80NFbcYgN0wdkOLBDreLm8g=s1600

You claim light causes him damage. But it doesnt he has absorbed the solar blasts of Silver Scarab, the light energy of Chroma, taken the combined light assaults of both Alan and Kyle raynor in the heart of darkness and much more. There are incedents of light energy that is harnessed or merged with soul power or intense will power have hurt him briefly or caused him pain.

For exanple in Justice Society 27 he is harmed by Stargirl's cosmoc rod but only when she was possessed by the erant spirits of the Hiroshima bombing controlles by Kung causing a cercuit between her star rod cosmic converter belt and their energy. Prior to being possesed her energy did him no harm.

Trying to make claims that lowball Todd using evidence that contradicts the things your saying doesnt aid your cause. But by all means just continue to prove my case for me by posting yet more scans that support my interpretation while wailing out yours. All it does is make anyone reading your evidence question the validity of anything you claim when the scans simply dont support your stance

Originally posted by beatboks
Just love your denial.
Quoting only half of the statement
"He stole time from the future somehow from the future LIVES of random human beings"

Maybe you should try reading all the words and not just looking at the pretty pictures.

So are you telling me that when someone absorbs a nom corporeal being they dont absorb the soul? Likenthenonly rhing that is non corporeal for everyone? Pathetic, absolitely pathetic.

There are literally several dozen times when powerful light eneegy has been blasted at Obsidian and done him no harm whatsoever

During underworld unleashed when the evil souls of hell were free and so many souls on earth were darker done their deals with Neron Obsidian's power was vastly increased at the same time as he was overcome by the vastly greater darkness he sensed and felt in the world around him. He could suddenly fight in several parts of the city at once casually sending portions of his shadow to port his team mates out of harms way (or their attacking adversaries)

You claim Todd doesnt use the starheart, but he is the living embodiment of the darkness within it

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/lSrs1l-MP8Qs0aKp-I3qkHu712AEJ8OLahsHc1qi_cXI7eCIhICgw80NFbcYgN0wdkOLBDreLm8g=s1600

You claim light causes him damage. But it doesnt he has absorbed the solar blasts of Silver Scarab, the light energy of Chroma, taken the combined light assaults of both Alan and Kyle raynor in the heart of darkness and much more. There are incedents of light energy that is harnessed or merged with soul power or intense will power have hurt him briefly or caused him pain.

For exanple in Justice Society 27 he is harmed by Stargirl's cosmoc rod but only when she was possessed by the erant spirits of the Hiroshima bombing controlles by Kung causing a cercuit between her star rod cosmic converter belt and their energy. Prior to being possesed her energy did him no harm.

Trying to make claims that lowball Todd using evidence that contradicts the things your saying doesnt aid your cause. But by all means just continue to prove my case for me by posting yet more scans that support my interpretation while wailing out yours. All it does is make anyone reading your evidence question the validity of anything you claim when the scans simply dont support your stance

😂 Ian is MADE UP of shadow energy
How will it be hard from someone that claimed he's now the shadow land to absorb him ?

UM He was HURT by dr midnight's UV blast , even after he became all powerful , Alan's green lantern light dropped him , he said he couldn't stand the light ..
Someone with strong light blast can drop him. FACT. BASED on panel evidence, you're not fooling anybody here buddy. I ACTUALLY read on obsidian, did you actually thought you was gonna fool me LOL?

LET ME know when you want me to pull these scans up, STOP hiding that fact

and stop giving me broken links. Its annoying

Obsidian.

Good points there Alberto! Don’t know much about Obsidian, I wonder how he would fair up against Darkness or Asylum.. hmm

Alberto is owning in this thread.

Originally posted by carver9
Alberto is owning in this thread.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
....why do you need to get personal and abusive?

Though not sure why he'd be like that with boks. Boks is usually reserved.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 Ian is MADE UP of shadow energy
How will it be hard from someone that claimed he's now the shadow land to absorb him ?

UM He was HURT by dr midnight's UV blast , even after he became all powerful , Alan's green lantern light dropped him , he said he couldn't stand the light ..
Someone with strong light blast can drop him. FACT. BASED on panel evidence, you're not fooling anybody here buddy. I ACTUALLY read on obsidian, did you actually thought you was gonna fool me LOL?

LET ME know when you want me to pull these scans up, STOP hiding that fact

1. No he isnt. There is no such thing as shadow energy. The darkness of the shadiwland is the void, the abscence of anything. It was literally stated

2. No he wasnt hurt by Midnights UV blast. A person possessed by his shadow was. Not the same thing. Also he has been blasted by Alan Scot's light about 60 times and only been temporarily harmed by it about 4 times. That's really consistent isn't it. In JSA 7-9 he fights his father for an extended period with multiple blasts but only when Alan goes all out on will does it reduce Scot from darkness covering the planet to hus nornal form. Hes been hit by Shazam lightning and reformed in seconds (literally the panel after being hit). He has been clasted by Kyle Raynor dozens of times with no ill effect.

Look at how many times in this isse Alan Scot and Kyke Raynor's light has zero detrimental effect on Todd. He literally solos two opponents whos power is wielding light energy for the whole issue

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Green-Lantern-Sentinel-Heart-of-Darkness/Issue-2?id=98495

That's heart of darkness issue 2 (if the link is broken- or more likely your device hasnt passed capture to prove your human). Todd doesnt seem too bothered by light blasts from Alan and Kyle multiple times. Try reading the actual context of the times he does.

Not one of those incidents when he is harmed by light cause even so much as a 10 second count ko. What they do is cause the level of damage a strong punch would to a fighter. Yes light can cause him pain, it doesnt however cause him lasting damage.

There is a way to cause a KO to Todd, and its not via light. In fact its the opposite its to overload him with darkness in souls. Like what happened in underworld unleashed in JLA 105

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/3/30145/7319368-1586738811050.jpg

With all the souls being sold to Neron and the darkened souls so prevalent in the world he was overwhelmed by that darkness and left KO'd. Not physical damage but damage to his psyche.

The total irony is I started in this thread saying that Todd would loose in a close fight and only changed my mind becausenof arguments you've made, so great job defending your stance ina thread you started that was intended to be a spite thread, you've successfully turned one who agreed with to the opposing view 👍

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He's a product of the culture.
😆

Though not sure why he'd be like that with boks. Boks is usually reserved.

Lol have we created Albert?