Obsidian v Silver Surfer (black)

Originally posted by beatboks
1. No he isnt. There is no such thing as shadow energy. The darkness of the shadiwland is the void, the abscence of anything. It was literally stated

2. No he wasnt hurt by Midnights UV blast. A person possessed by his shadow was. Not the same thing. Also he has been blasted by Alan Scot's light about 60 times and only been temporarily harmed by it about 4 times. That's really consistent isn't it. In JSA 7-9 he fights his father for an extended period with multiple blasts but only when Alan goes all out on will does it reduce Scot from darkness covering the planet to hus nornal form. Hes been hit by Shazam lightning and reformed in seconds (literally the panel after being hit). He has been clasted by Kyle Raynor dozens of times with no ill effect.

Look at how many times in this isse Alan Scot and Kyke Raynor's light has zero detrimental effect on Todd. He literally solos two opponents whos power is wielding light energy for the whole issue

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Green-Lantern-Sentinel-Heart-of-Darkness/Issue-2?id=98495

That's heart of darkness issue 2 (if the link is broken- or more likely your device hasnt passed capture to prove your human). Todd doesnt seem too bothered by light blasts from Alan and Kyle multiple times. Try reading the actual context of the times he does.

Not one of those incidents when he is harmed by light cause even so much as a 10 second count ko. What they do is cause the level of damage a strong punch would to a fighter. Yes light can cause him pain, it doesnt however cause him lasting damage.

There is a way to cause a KO to Todd, and its not via light. In fact its the opposite its to overload him with darkness in souls. Like what happened in underworld unleashed in JLA 105

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/3/30145/7319368-1586738811050.jpg

With all the souls being sold to Neron and the darkened souls so prevalent in the world he was overwhelmed by that darkness and left KO'd. Not physical damage but damage to his psyche.

The total irony is I started in this thread saying that Todd would loose in a close fight and only changed my mind becausenof arguments you've made, so great job defending your stance ina thread you started that was intended to be a spite thread, you've successfully turned one who agreed with to the opposing view 👍

I Already stated how surfer wins and proved it , how obsidian doesn't have much against him in this match ..

Let me debunk you on a few points though. AGAIN

There is something like shadow energy (also called shadow force ), and that's what the people with connection to shadowland/shadow realm /shadow void. Like ian and todd uses ..
And he was hurt by Dr midnight's UV ray , even ian ..

You said there's nothing like shadow energy... LOL UM...
READ THIS
Read WHAT Ian said

He was HURT by midnight's blast

Even ian

Stop it. Surfer stomps
😂

You dudes always gotta high ball dc characters to make it seem like theyre higher than they are in comics. UNFORTUNATELY I read comics

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I Already stated how surfer wins and proved it , how obsidian doesn't have much against him in this match ..

Let me debunk you on a few points though. AGAIN

There is something like shadow energy (also called shadow force ), and that's what the people with connection to shadowland/shadow realm /shadow void. Like ian and todd uses ..
And he was hurt by Dr midnight's UV ray , even ian ..

You said there's nothing like shadow energy... LOL UM...
READ THIS
Read WHAT Ian said

He was HURT by midnight's blast

Even ian

Stop it. Surfer stomps
😂

You dudes always gotta high ball dc characters to make it seem like theyre higher than they are in comics. UNFORTUNATELY I read comics

Like you read Moon Knight and Street Fighter comics?

Originally posted by beatboks
1. No he isnt. There is no such thing as shadow energy. The darkness of the shadiwland is the void, the abscence of anything. It was literally stated

2. No he wasnt hurt by Midnights UV blast. A person possessed by his shadow was. Not the same thing. Also he has been blasted by Alan Scot's light about 60 times and only been temporarily harmed by it about 4 times. That's really consistent isn't it. In JSA 7-9 he fights his father for an extended period with multiple blasts but only when Alan goes all out on will does it reduce Scot from darkness covering the planet to hus nornal form. Hes been hit by Shazam lightning and reformed in seconds (literally the panel after being hit). He has been clasted by Kyle Raynor dozens of times with no ill effect.

Look at how many times in this isse Alan Scot and Kyke Raynor's light has zero detrimental effect on Todd. He literally solos two opponents whos power is wielding light energy for the whole issue

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Green-Lantern-Sentinel-Heart-of-Darkness/Issue-2?id=98495

That's heart of darkness issue 2 (if the link is broken- or more likely your device hasnt passed capture to prove your human). Todd doesnt seem too bothered by light blasts from Alan and Kyle multiple times. Try reading the actual context of the times he does.

Not one of those incidents when he is harmed by light cause even so much as a 10 second count ko. What they do is cause the level of damage a strong punch would to a fighter. Yes light can cause him pain, it doesnt however cause him lasting damage.

There is a way to cause a KO to Todd, and its not via light. In fact its the opposite its to overload him with darkness in souls. Like what happened in underworld unleashed in JLA 105

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/3/30145/7319368-1586738811050.jpg

With all the souls being sold to Neron and the darkened souls so prevalent in the world he was overwhelmed by that darkness and left KO'd. Not physical damage but damage to his psyche.

The total irony is I started in this thread saying that Todd would loose in a close fight and only changed my mind becausenof arguments you've made, so great job defending your stance ina thread you started that was intended to be a spite thread, you've successfully turned one who agreed with to the opposing view 👍

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I Already stated how surfer wins and proved it , how obsidian doesn't have much against him in this match ..

Let me debunk you on a few points though. AGAIN

There is something like shadow energy (also called shadow force ), and that's what the people with connection to shadowland/shadow realm /shadow void. Like ian and todd uses ..
And he was hurt by Dr midnight's UV ray , even ian ..

You said there's nothing like shadow energy... LOL UM...
READ THIS
Read WHAT Ian said

He was HURT by midnight's blast

Even ian

Stop it. Surfer stomps
😂

You dudes always gotta high ball dc characters to make it seem like theyre higher than they are in comics. UNFORTUNATELY I read comics

I love your shifting scale of what is acceptable evidence.
When I post a scan showing Ian State he absorbs souls, backed up by Spectre saying he had and two other sources statements aren't admissible. But when Ian makes a statement contradicted by 2 pieces of evidence I loaded links for and listed the issue numders of that takes presidence.

Now to the trst of your BS
Todd experienced pain from the UV grenade dropped by Hooty but wasnt significantly damaged (I already said he experiences the pain of being knocked onnthe ropes- that doesnt equate to battle winning damage).

Your second scan actually proves that. Its the page after where we see a shadow controlled Hawkgirl and citizen attack Midnight etc. Karkull doesnt have the power to control others thru shadows like Todd, they were still under his control because he wasnt put down.

Also, that wasnt Ian blasted by the UV gun it was a citizen and he was freed by the light. Ot was what I stated in the post you replied to happened.

If you need more proof tje following page Todd was still fighting and Atom Smasher
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/3/30145/7321699-1586854509505.jpg
Todd wasnt (as I said) so much as down for a 10 sec count.
I could gonon to post the next page where Todd tells them all they are jothing more than an annoyance.

That was from a light attack he wasnt expecting.

So lets look at said light attacks when he is

https://m.imgur.com/7DqsZBj
Light energy of chroma no issue for him (even though Choma had already taken down PG, Jade and several others with that same light energy showing just how powerful it was)

https://i.imgur.com/IPDyUYt_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

Silver scarab solar energy also no issue. Causes pain but not so much he cant stand and take it for an extended period
This mind you he is doing defending a team mate he dispises and always fights with (its why Hector was shocked)

https://m.imgur.com/4X0qZqF
Has no issue taking down two herald level characters who wield light.

https://i.imgur.com/U8kASkC_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

https://i.imgur.com/ZTAMLPN_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
In fact casually destroys their ligh constructs

https://m.imgur.com/7JRchS0
Can casually absorb the attacks of Alan Scot wielding light blasts.

For wvery two scans you post of Todd experiencing pain from light I can show 5 of him tanking a greater light source and continuing on.

SSB blasting Todd with strong light blast in an opening salvo will cause Todd pain yes. It wont however put him down. He will after that be ready for the next light based attack and just as a boxer braces himsef forthe hit (or rolls with it) he will then be ready to absorb the light. That is all that is different between when he is hurt and when he tanks it. When he is hurt is either didnt get ready to absorb it or wasnt prepared for the intensity of the blast (like when Alan scot said "I wrote the book on will power" when he blasted him at the end of that arc.

Lets look at you assinine arguments.

1. Todd cant hurt SSB. But youve yet to show why the way Todd shows someone the darkness in themselves (whether that is their inner fears and insecurities or the dark things theyve done. You made some stupid claim he cant because he cant touch SSB, but failed to back it up. I've already shown Todd can touch intangible things and that he doesn't "touch" someone to use that power anyway, he simlly casts a shadow over them from a distance. Debunked

2. You've claimed that a light blast from SSB will end the fight, but there are a lot more times of Todd not being seriously damaged by light than him experiencing pain. Added to which of the 6 times Todd has experienced pain from light in print he was only beaten by 1 (the end of the JSA #9 where Alan makes that wrote the book statement and goes all out). Every other time he is not even KOd and keeps fighting. Debunked

3. Youve claimed that Todd doesnt have magic power, but i posted scans of Dr Fate tracking the magical energy of Ian Karkull back to him and scans of Starheart saying that Todd's power comes from him, plus scans of Alan saying he is the embodiment of the darkness of the starheart.

4. You've claimed that his power has no link to souls or life energy but Ive shown both Ian, Fate, Spectre and the nerator confirm it does. Lets say for just a moment that its not souls. What ot nost definitely is is the"abstract" darkness of the soul and the mind. The bottom line is, even of your right it functukns as if your wrong. There are just too many incidents of hin comtrollingnothers with their fears, or darkness of what they have done. He doesnt have TP, or any other power that accounts for it.

I initially thought Surfer won because I only remembered him going for the mind/darkness/soul whammy when he was evil. When I went loolong for scaans to show you were wrong about he could do nothing to hurt SSB, I was actually suprised how often in a normal statenof mind he went for the same thing. Its much more common for him than I remembered.

Your arguments have failed and only served to turn the one of the only two in this thread who initially agreed with you to the opposing side. Continuing to restate then with out of context scans or acans that actually prove the opposite of your position isnt going well for you.

I fell ther is no point to continue further as it fells like a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent and I don't wont to drive it anymore

Good day sir

My guy you took days to reply to this thread, I lost interest awhile ago to even address that LMAO believe what you want 🙄

Lol he didn't take days. Such a drama queen.

There's about 24 hours between your posts. It's not even that, so it's not even a day.

Easily verifiable facts, and you are shown to be lying. What else do you lie about?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol he didn't take days. Such a drama queen.

There's about 24 hours between your posts. It's not even that, so it's not even a day.

Easily verifiable facts, and you are shown to be lying. What else do you lie about?

Originally posted by Insane Titan
👆 Trollberto is so full of shite. In his and abhis BZ thread he’s banging on about having a life and not having to reply straight away to certain topics...yet when BB anally rapes him it’s null and void because he took time to respond. Bwhaha what a failure at life.

And this is after Beatboks, one of the chillest posters on the site (and not a DC fanboys) was polite to him.

Such a crybaby lol. He knows he's been found out

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And this is after Beatboks, one of the chillest posters on the site (and not a DC fanboys) was polite to him.

Such a crybaby lol. He knows he's been found out