Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It didn't LOOK like it was about to hit her when Flash threw the Martians in - maybe he was erring on the side of caution by giving himself 'only' a picosecond.Or he was so fast, he didn't even need that picosecond to find the guys.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
To beat a speedblitz, one either needs:1. High end passive durability (so no shields, but pure 'always on' durability - this can also be something like intangibility) or
2. Extreme speed of your own.
Maybe even a combo of the two, so having intangibility, for example, plus extreme superspeed which allows you to 'activate' it before Flash lands a punch/speedsteals.
This is the only answer required.
He is simply too fast. Dude evacuated a whole city of 532,000 people as a nuclear bomb was exploding, transported them in groups of twos and threes (meaning tens of thousands of trips BACK AND FORTH), transported them to a place 35 MILES away (in twos and threes - 532,000 people) ....and did this in 0.00001 of a MICROsecond.
Note that KMC fights start with someone half a kilometer away. 500 feet. Against a person who did the above in 0.00001 microseconds.
This is why in my opinion Flash should not be used for MOST fights. Without PIS/CIS he is simply TOO fast.
He is not invincible - but there are very few non-cosmic characters who can beat him without PIS/CIS.
So, even though many mutants can kill Flash if he is just standing doing nothing, if he decides to fight back there are very few non Uber characters that can match him.
Originally posted by spetznaz
This is the only answer required.He is simply too fast. Dude evacuated a whole city of 532,000 people as a nuclear bomb was exploding, transported them in groups of twos and threes (meaning tens of thousands of trips BACK AND FORTH), transported them to a place 35 MILES away (in twos and threes - 532,000 people) ....and did this in 0.00001 of a MICROsecond.
Note that KMC fights start with someone half a kilometer away. 500 feet. Against a person who did the above in 0.00001 microseconds.
This is why in my opinion Flash should not be used for MOST fights. Without PIS/CIS he is simply TOO fast.
He is not invincible - but there are very few non-cosmic characters who can beat him without PIS/CIS.
So, even though many mutants can kill Flash if he is just standing doing nothing, if he decides to fight back there are very few non Uber characters that can match him.
Not sure if you know about these mutants:
Jubilee.
Wraith
Skin
Cypher
Stacy X
Maggot
Wing
^All these guys will kill Flash without breaking a sweat.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Thats every comic though
Doesn't matter - not that it's true.
Aren't you the one who says that if a comic doesn't give an explanation, it should be ignored no matter how many times it happens?
Anyway, I literally showed multiple comics where he's definitely faster than a human. And I showed a comic where he is EXPLICITLY faster than thought. So no, it's not EVERY comic.
If a slower character affects a faster character without any context - that's PIS.
Moreover, Flash has shown multiple times that he's faster than thought. It's literally what he says:
Originally posted by spetznaz
This is the only answer required.He is simply too fast. Dude evacuated a whole city of 532,000 people as a nuclear bomb was exploding, transported them in groups of twos and threes (meaning tens of thousands of trips BACK AND FORTH), transported them to a place 35 MILES away (in twos and threes - 532,000 people) ....and did this in 0.00001 of a MICROsecond.
Note that KMC fights start with someone half a kilometer away. 500 feet. Against a person who did the above in 0.00001 microseconds.
This is why in my opinion Flash should not be used for MOST fights. Without PIS/CIS he is simply TOO fast.
He is not invincible - but there are very few non-cosmic characters who can beat him without PIS/CIS.
So, even though many mutants can kill Flash if he is just standing doing nothing, if he decides to fight back there are very few non Uber characters that can match him.
there are only four kinds of characters that can beat CIS off full capacity Flash/Zoom
1. reality warpers (franklin, mjj, legion etc)
2. characters that can instantly reform themselves (doctor manhattan etc)
3. toon force (mxy, the mask, bugs bunny etc)
4. faster than the flash/zoom (there are none)
Wally is literally "faster than speed"
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current/past marvel mutants that can beat Barry/Wally
1. Legion
2. Shaman Nate
3. Franklin
4. Mister M
5. MJJ
I'm missing a few but it's a very short list
even someone powerful like Wanda, would get one shotted as she does not have the durability to tank the imp or the reaction to dodge the punch
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
To beat a speedblitz, one either needs:1. High end passive durability (so no shields, but pure 'always on' durability - this can also be something like intangibility) or
2. Extreme speed of your own.
Maybe even a combo of the two, so having intangibility, for example, plus extreme superspeed which allows you to 'activate' it before Flash lands a punch/speedsteals.
If you're thinking Juggernaut, that invulnerability wouldn't stop a speed force dump.
Possibly not even a 100% kinetic energy steal. Depends on how his enchantment to always move forward interacts with the Speed Force.
@Albert: Full Capacity. Honestly, have a read of forum rules, It would really solve a lot of issues people have.
On the forum we have three things in play in generic matches.
1. Full Capacity on
2. PIS off
3. CIS/CIP on.
So what does this mean? Let's take Spiderman as an example.
1. Full Capacity on means he will use his speed to its full capacity
2. PIS off means he's not getting tagged by slower characters
3. CIS/CIP on means that Spidey isn't going to start the match emptying his webshooters and choking his opponents to death, or using his hands to rip faces off (even though there are 1 or 2 scans out there showing he can).
We still argue about their characters. It's not 'here's what I would do with their powers'.
However, you have taken CIS/CIP off now. And PIS is off as default. So now, it's basically what Carver would call 'forum Flash'. He does whatever he can, whenever he can.
Full Capacity:
Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
and:
A character like the Flash is not going to get hit by someone substantially slower than him unless they have some counter to his powers. Simple as that. Wally West isn't Superman (and I'm going to get in to this in a later post). He can't afford to get hit more than once or twice before it starts to actually impact his ability to win the fight. And this, at the end of all of this ranting on the subject, is where I try to lay it out as best as I can:The Flash/Relevant Character X will use, at a bare minimum, the least amount of speed/Relevant Power, that he is capable of using under average/normal circumstances, required to not lose the fight, or get so badly injured that it will most-likely cost him the fight. Every superhero or supervillain has a minimum amount of effort and competence that they will utilise going in to a fight. For villains that's usually a higher starting point because they like to not hold back, sure, but the heroes aren't going to be stupid either. They are not going to self-sabotage, and they will not let pride, ego or forgetting they have a way to win the fight to get in the way.
-If you put Flash up against someone that can't beat him without PIS, that's not his fault. That's yours.
Originally posted by cdtm
If you're thinking Juggernaut, that invulnerability wouldn't stop a speed force dump.Possibly not even a 100% kinetic energy steal. Depends on how his enchantment to always move forward interacts with the Speed Force.
I guess I should've clarified, within the parameters of this thread.
BFR is off.
Originally posted by Smurph
Depends on the Wanda. HoM Wanda just immediately ‘undid’ Hawkeye killing her, iirc.
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