Name 5 mutants that can beat Flash w/ no PIS

Started by TheHulkster9 pages

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doesn't matter - not that it's true.

Aren't you the one who says that if a comic doesn't give an explanation, it should be ignored no matter how many times it happens?

Anyway, I literally showed multiple comics where he's definitely faster than a human. And I showed a comic where he is EXPLICITLY faster than thought. So no, it's not EVERY comic.

If a slower character affects a faster character without any context - that's PIS.

Moreover, Flash has shown multiple times that he's faster than thought. It's literally what he says:

https://m.imgur.com/a/Suh31DW

Originally posted by TheHulkster
https://m.imgur.com/a/Suh31DW

Superceded by more recent comics. Yours is old. Mine are (plural) new 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
Nate can enter Planck time and Franklin can work in yoctoseconds.

Key word "enter".

Scans or context for Franklin?

Flash works natively in quantum space, he can blitz before Nate even fires off the neurons to enter.

Originally posted by cdtm
Key word "enter".

Scans or context for Franklin?

Flash works natively in quantum space, he can blitz before Nate even fires off the neurons to enter.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Thanks.

If those scans are all that exist, it's very vague on detail.

Does he perceive at quantum speeds all the time? Does he need to reality alter himself first?

Is he only talking about the speed his powers operate at, as if it's a gun?

Are there any examples of speedsters attempting to blitz him? Or if not that, reaction feats?

*shrug*

Originally posted by MrMind
what does that prove other than some writers are retarded? the speed of thought is how fast impulses go from your brain to your body. it's measurable.

here's really how fast speed of thought is
https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/DavidParizh.shtml

and even if we entertain the dumb idea that telepath has speed of thoughts rival the speed of light

Flash has feats suggesting he can run millions times faster than light

Flash also has a history of getting sodomized by telepathic apes.

Originally posted by MrMind
getting shot with an arrow is not the same as getting hit with the force of white dwarf star

she'll instantly disintegrate into ashes, she'll be dead before she can "undo"

Eh, a bullet does less overall damage then a speeding train but both things can kill you in an instant. Hawkeye was aiming to assassinate her and it just didn’t take. We don’t know that the effect would be any different if he used a nuke instead of an arrow.

That said it might be a moot point to raise anyways because HoM Wanda was very amped/wasn’t just using her “mutant” powers.

I like Nate Grey a lot but I don’t think he takes forum Flash in a CIS-less fight.

I just want to know does the flash ever stop moving and have a conversation like regular people??? Who just starts a fight a mftl+++++ speeds?
Whats to stop the flash from ending up like this? Use your imagination and replace the staff with a TK field:

Also:

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Everytime the speed blitz argument comes up I wonder why nobody understands that most speed blitz situations don't happen from story telling stand point is there too many way it could end like this.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
It's not just that writer:

https://imgur.com/a/Suh31DW
https://imgur.com/a/QTncHUZ
https://imgur.com/a/YihGFiP

If we go by that, Magneto should be able to beat him.

https://i.imgur.com/VhB35Xs.jpg

Lol...even Flash admitted he's slower than thought.

This is the main reason why you can not apply real world crap to comic books majority of the time. They do not follow the same principles.

Originally posted by MrMind
Shaman Nate, Franklin

That's it.

Legion is multiversal so doesn't count

This👆

Originally posted by TheHulkster
If we go by that, Magneto should be able to beat him.

https://i.imgur.com/VhB35Xs.jpg

Plus Magneto's reactions are 15x faster than everybody elses. His speed of thought is way too fast for Flash. 🤣

😂

One of the silliest things about the forum rules is the attempt to specify a number for the "speed of thought", whatever that means. IMO the whole topic makes no sense.

If speed of thought is measured in terms of the speed of neuron impulses then it should be sub-C by definition, but obviously that changes in comics, where it varies wildly between characters. A character who has super-C reactions has to have super-C speed of thought, for instance. And telepaths/telekinetics are often treated as gaining incredibly fast speed of thought once they reach a certain tier (see God Cable somehow conducting fine atomic manipulation while fighting Surfer at super speed around the globe). I'm sure there are a ton of other examples of common scenarios affecting that sort of internal 'speed of thought'.

On the other hand, comics also use "speed of thought" in a more metaphysical sense, to talk about the speed at which a thought races from a person's brain to the place that the person is targeting... like Xavier casting his mind across star systems or Magik being able to instantly create a portal to the moon. Depending on the scenario, this speed is either actually instantaneous or there is some sort of delay between thought and effect but the process is still much faster than C, because of comic book science.

Either category makes a very stupid metric to measure Flash's speed. The first is so subjective because we are more than aware that comic book characters vary wildly in their thinking speeds. The second category is so vague it almost isn't worth discussing, IMO, except that it gets brought up in confusing narration all the time.

In all likelihood:

If Flash were in position X when Invisible Woman completed a thought to wrap X in a forcefield, I think Flash would get wrapped in a forcefield (he's just vibrate through, but whatever). Pulling this off would require either attacking Flash unawares, incredible luck, or some almost PIS-level planning and anticipation (see Deathstroke stabbing Flash).

On the other hand, if Flash were in position X when Invisible Woman initially reacted and started forming the thought to create a forcefield, Flash should/would be long gone by the time the forcefield appeared.

Colossus... This guy lol.

LMFAO

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Flash also has a history of getting sodomized by telepathic apes.

it's PIS/CIS off here

Originally posted by Smurph
Eh, a bullet does less overall damage then a speeding train but both things can kill you in an instant. Hawkeye was aiming to assassinate her and it just didn’t take. We don’t know that the effect would be any different if he used a nuke instead of an arrow.

That said it might be a moot point to raise anyways because HoM Wanda was very amped/wasn’t just using her “mutant” powers.

I like Nate Grey a lot but I don’t think he takes forum Flash in a CIS-less fight.

Wanda didn't show her chaos magic could put herself back from dispersing into atoms, which again the IMPS can do. normally Flash don't kill but in this scenerio....we can't just assume she can pull a doctor manhattan here. especially since her power has been retconned to global level

last I check Nate is made of pure energy and he doesnt need a body to exist, he can just chill in the astral plane, but then again I haven't brush up on Nate since 2012, he's gotten more powerful since then no?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I just want to know does the flash ever stop moving and have a conversation like regular people??? Who just starts a fight a mftl+++++ speeds?
Whats to stop the flash from ending up like this? Use your imagination and replace the staff with a TK field:

Also:

Saved by....

Everytime the speed blitz argument comes up I wonder why nobody understands that most speed blitz situations don't happen from story telling stand point is there too many way it could end like this.

Flash literally got up and walked away from an explosion that went off as he was sleeping.

Batman's entire anti Flash strategy was based on the fact he can reflexively vibrate through a bullet fired while napping, as it hits his skin.

Originally posted by Smurph
Eh, a bullet does less overall damage then a speeding train but both things can kill you in an instant. Hawkeye was aiming to assassinate her and it just didn’t take. We don’t know that the effect would be any different if he used a nuke instead of an arrow.

That said it might be a moot point to raise anyways because HoM Wanda was very amped/wasn’t just using her “mutant” powers.

I like Nate Grey a lot but I don’t think he takes forum Flash in a CIS-less fight.

Usually the harder something hits you the faster you die. Getting shot through by an arrow doesn’t instantly kill her. Even when shot through the heart, your brain doesn’t immediately die. But exploding to atoms by a MTFL punch, you won’t have a brain to think and “undo” the damage