Originally posted by Total WarriorTbf...
Giving RotS Sheev a great fight, disarming Ventress easily with TK, lifting a mountain. Never seen Vader ragdolling anyone as easily as Yoda did Ventress
Vader is canonically listed above Sheev in sabers. I know a lot of people hate that, but it is what it is.
I reckon peak Vader could do the same thing to season 1 Ventress.
The mountain feat is a massive outlier -- even if taken at face value, it was still implied to be a 'oneness' moment. A guy who can legitimately move mountains wouldn't be bothered by Senate pods.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sidious lost to Windu in a duel and disarmed by yoda. He was formidable by his force powers more so than with a saber imo. Yoda was better than sidious with a saber too not that he won despite disarming Sidious due to his fl and pod positioning.
Originally posted by xPRIMExHard to probably catch them alone. They were backed by an empire.
Agreed actually. I have Sidious below Yoda in sabers, but I think Vader might still win. It’s pretty telling that Yoda and Kenobi never attempted to kill Vader again, and there are quotes that say Vader was second in power only to Sidious.
Yoda never disarmed Sidious in canon.
Vader doesn't scale down to Luke. Luke scales up to Vader. Even if that's far-fetched it is what the story demands it be, not like Star Wars really has a major focus on long training or power ranking anyway.
Pretty sure Yoda trained for weeks just to use the specific stone power on a specific stone mountain.
And Vader is said to be > Sidious as a duelist.
Originally posted by ScizardSo you believe he just dropped his saber. Really.
Yoda never disarmed Sidious in canon.Vader doesn't scale down to Luke. Luke scales up to Vader. Even if that's far-fetched it is what the story demands it be, not like Star Wars really has a major focus on long training or power ranking anyway.
Pretty sure Yoda trained for weeks just to use the specific stone power on a specific stone mountain.
And Vader is said to be > Sidious as a duelist.
Luke won Vader did not. Palpatine wanted the better, younger more powerful Skywalker not the older, worn out one.
Yoda never lost to Luke or Kenobi. Vader on the field of battle lost a lot.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you believe he just dropped his saber. Really.Luke won Vader did not. Palpatine wanted the better, younger more powerful Skywalker not the older, worn out one.
Yoda never lost to Luke or Kenobi. Vader on the field of battle lost a lot.
In the canon ROTJ novelisation Vader is pushing back Luke until he uses the dark side, so it's only through a dark side amp that Vader is beaten.
Losing at the hand of Kenobi is 2 decades pre-prime, that had an advantage due to his familiarity with Anakin's form which he changed after his injuries.
If we're playing it like that I can just say oh yeah Yoda got knocked out by a bunch of kids throwning stones at him w/o mentioning the specific circumstances.
Originally posted by Scizard
And Vader is said to be > Sidious as a duelist.
Source never really specifies which iteration that is. But by ROTJ that's probably true. Yes. But ROTS Sidious still demolishes him. There's really no reason to think they wouldn't utilize the latest iteration of Sidious possible in that list.