Originally posted by juggernaut74It jives with ROTS just fine.
I never said it wasn't it just don't jive with the main canon, the movies.
The script and JN said Yoda disarmed Sidious before he threw the pods, but GOA shows him with his lightsaber right before he starts throwing them. So like the others have said- the script and JN have been retconed.
You dont have to agree with it, but its still the canon depiction.
Originally posted by SheevI never said it wasn't canon, it don't jive with the main canon which is the movies. Just because Sidious still has his saber while standing on a pod don't mean jack.
You can try to write it off as a "kiddy show" all you want, bud. But it is canon whether you like it or not.You're trying to act like 2005 sources override 2019 sources. That is idiocy at its finest.
Like I said the Yoda vs Dooku battle went NOTHING like the movie yet I am suppose to think Yoda vs Sidious did?
You gotta do better than that sunshine.
Originally posted by Galan007
GoA isn't Lego.GoA features various adaptions from the films themselves(as well as some extra content.) Much like the novels and comic book adaptations, if it adds depth/context that does not contradict the films, then that part is canon. If it contradicts something from the films, however, then that part is non-canon.
It's pretty similar to Lego actually. And Lego is considered to be 'canon adjacent'. It's not gonna override actual canon sources. GoA is similar in that regard given the artistic license they take.
GOA hasnt been called "canon adjacent" so your comparison to the Lego verse falls flat.
GOA was made specifically to flesh out the films, "learn more about the characters", and "expand the potential of how Star Wars should look and feel", as various interviews on SW.com state. It is canon as long as it doesnt conflict with the movies.
Why are you guys making this so hard? 2019 supplementary canon > 2005 supplementary canon.
Originally posted by Galan007
Palpatine's overall superiority has been confirmed in pretty much every noteworthy source in canon:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=17122410#post17122410The disparity between he and Yoda wasn't vast(in both sabers and the Force), but it was enough to say that Palpatine was > across the board.
Problem is Kylo Rens gallery also states he was no match for Rey on Starkiller Base. And Reys gallery says she defeated him. Yet we know Kylo > Rey.
So clearly these outmatched quotes are context specific to the particular fight in question, and not necessarily generalised A > B statement.
Originally posted by Sheev
GOA hasnt been called "canon adjacent" so your comparison to the Lego verse falls flat.GOA was made specifically to flesh out the films, "learn more about the characters", and "expand the potential of how Star Wars should look and feel", as various interviews on SW.com state. It is canon as long as it doesnt conflict with the movies.
Why are you guys making this so hard? 2019 supplementary canon > 2005 supplementary canon.
It's not supplementary, it's contradictory, that's why.
Originally posted by Darth ThorOf course Kylo was no match for Rey there. He had a gaping bowcaster wound in his abdomen, and he was an emotional trainwreck... But that's neither here nor there.
Problem is Kylo Rens gallery also states he was no match for Rey on Starkiller Base. And Reys gallery says she defeated him. Yet we know Kylo > Rey.So clearly these outmatched quotes are context specific to the particular fight in question, and not necessarily generalised A > B statement.
We have exactly one battle between Palpatine and Yoda as a reference. So naturally all the quotes pertaining to Palpatine's superiority are going to be in reference to said battle.
Originally posted by Galan007
Of course Kylo was no match for Rey there. He had a gaping bowcaster wound in his abdomen, and he was an emotional trainwreck... But that's neither here nor there.We have exactly one battle between Palpatine and Yoda as a reference. So naturally all the quotes pertaining to Palpatine's superiority are going to be in reference to said battle.
Originally posted by Sheev
No it doesnt. :/In the GOA clip Sidious is just shown levitating the pods. He could have easily stowed his saber before he actually started to throw them at Yoda like we saw in the movie.
Like galan showed in the gif he posted earlier- Sidious can put his saber away in a fraction of a second.
Originally posted by Galan007
Of course Kylo was no match for Rey there. He had a gaping bowcaster wound in his abdomen, and he was an emotional trainwreck... But that's neither here nor there.We have exactly one battle between Palpatine and Yoda as a reference. So naturally all the quotes pertaining to Palpatine's superiority are going to be in reference to said battle.
Point is the quotes can be in the context of a specific battle. And we know Palpatine won that battle. But Yoda clearly had a couple of misfortunate moments in that fight that lead to that.
The exact quote for Kylo was that he was no match for Reys rage and power (no mention of context). If that was said about Yoda v Sidious, that would be used as clear proof of Sidious being > Yoda.
Originally posted by Darth ThorSeveral factors can affect how the battle will play out. I'm just saying that in the case of Yoda vs. Palpatine, there's only one battle to use as a reference, therefore all quotes regarding Palpatine's superiority over Yoda would naturally be referring to the single battle they had.
Point is the quotes can be in the context of a specific battle. And we know Palpatine won that battle. But Yoda clearly had a couple of misfortunate moments in that fight that lead to that.
Flip side, Kylo and Rey fought more than once.
Originally posted by Darth ThorRight, but we know there undoubtedly was a great deal of context behind Kylo's loss there: a very significant injury, and an extremely unbalanced emotional state/mindset.
The exact quote for Kylo was that he was no match for Reys rage and power (no mention of context). If that was said about Yoda v Sidious, that would be used as clear proof of Sidious being > Yoda.
If Yoda would've had the same disadvantages going against him when he fought Palpatine in RotS, I don't think anyone who isn't just shit-trolling would still try to argue that Palpatine was definitively above him.
...But a similar quote was made regarding Palpatine vs. Yoda, btw:
https://i.imgur.com/FbL07II.jpg
"Even the diminutive Jedi's amazing strength and speed, however, are not a match for the devastating fury of a Sith Lord."
vin
^ I know Yoda didnt go in with a disadvantage but there were clearly 2 instances where just through sheer hard luck Yoda was put in a disadvantage position:
1st: When Sidious blasts Yodas Saber our of his hand. Yoda was at the edge of the senate pod at the time so couldn’t fall back a couple steps to keep his Saber in hand like Mace did.
2nd: When they both got flung back, Yoda had nothing to hold onto and took a bad fall.
So Sidious clearly won, theres no question of that now. And Sidious is probably the only other Jedi/Sith who could have defeated Yoda during the Prequel era.
All im saying is cant take it as a definitive statement that Sidious > Yoda when similar things were said about Rey beating Kylo in TFA. That indicates to me those type of quotes are referring more to the result of the fight, and not really taking detailed context into the equation.
