Originally posted by Sheev
even if the republished junior novel is canon, the notion that Yoda beat Sidious in sabers has been retconned by far more recent canon.Sidious > Yoda in sabers now. Yall gotta deal with it.
That image isn't from a canon source tho. Galaxy of Adventures regularly contradicts the films which supersede everything in canon.
Originally posted by Sheev
Sidious > Yoda in sabers now. Yall gotta deal with it.
Being good enough to defeat Yoda Doesnt mean he is > Yoda.
Just like Mace being good enough to beat Sidious doesnt make him > Sidious.
But if Sidious still had his Saber in that fight then he without question won the fight against Yoda.
Originally posted by juggernaut74Lol @ your denial here.
That says he's skilled enough to win it didn't say he did win.
Their duel in ROTS was clearly the reference being used. Hence the accompanying clip FROM their battle in ROTS.
Originally posted by Lord StarkThat particular scene DOESNT contradict the film, because we never saw what actually happened IN the film. GOA just fleshes out the cutscenes a bit more.
That image isn't from a canon source tho. Galaxy of Adventures regularly contradicts the films which supersede everything in canon.
Clearly Sidious still had his saber and was never disarmed. So the script and JN are retconned. Yoda didn't disarm Sidious, and Sidious is powerful enough to beat Yoda in a lightsaber duel. canon. 🙂
Originally posted by SheevIt says he's skilled enough to win it didn't say he did.
Lol @ your denial here.Their duel in ROTS was clearly the reference being used. Hence the accompanying clip FROM their battle in ROTS.
And considering that's the only time they battled it's not surprising they showed that scene.
Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Why does it matter if Dooku was tired? Considering that it seems we all agree that Anakin>Dooku anyways? This argument seems pointless. Am I missing something here?
Originally posted by SheevPretty much.
That particular scene DOESNT contradict the film, because we never saw what actually happened IN the film. GOA just fleshes out the cutscenes a bit more.Clearly Sidious still had his saber and was never disarmed. So the script and JN are retconned. Yoda didn't disarm Sidious, and Sidious is powerful enough to beat Yoda in a lightsaber duel. canon. 🙂
GoA is an officially licensed Disney/Lucasfilm product, so it is definitely canon -- especially in this case where it does not contradict the film at all.
Originally posted by juggernaut74He could have beaten Yoda in sabers(as the clip explicitly states), but evidently Palpatine opted to start attacking him with the Force instead.
It says he's skilled enough to win it didn't say he did.
Originally posted by Galan007 Pretty much.GoA is an officially licensed Disney/Lucasfilm product, so it is definitely canon -- especially in this case where it does not contradict the film at all.
He could have beaten Yoda in sabers(as the clip explicitly states), but evidently Palpatine opted to start attacking him with the Force instead.
So is Lego Star Wars, but that shit isn't canon either. It's obvious that the creators take an insane amount of creative license. It should not be used at all to reference events and duels that happened in the films.
GoA isn't Lego.
GoA features various adaptions from the films themselves(as well as some extra content.) Much like the novels and comic book adaptations, if it adds depth/context that does not contradict the films, then that part is canon. If it contradicts something from the films, however, then that part is non-canon.
Yes it does. We've already been through this...
In the RotS script and junior novel, Yoda supposedly disarmed Palpatine before he began hurling Senate pods.
But as you can clearly see in this screencap:
Palpatine still has his saber in hand just before he started throwing the pods.
Therefore, Yoda obviously did not disarm him prior to that, which effectively retcons the script/junior novel.
^ Yeah thats the implication.
Ultimately they were still pretty evenly matched in both Sabers and the Force given neither of them won the Saber or Force battle.
The big difference this makes to me is that Yoda legit lost the fight. Whilst with the previous version of events it seemed the fight itself was a stalemate with Yoda being the superior Saber duelist.
But now we know Yoda isnt necessarily better at sword fighting and after they both flung back, Sidious still had his Saber, wheras Yoda had lost his. So Yoda legit had to run from him because hed simply lost the fight.
Originally posted by Eli VantoSure.
So do you think Sidious put his saber away between that point and when we see him throwing the pods in the movie?
It's not like it takes Palpatine a long time to put his saber away, after all:
So that's likely what he did before the actual pod-hurling began.
Originally posted by Darth ThorPalpatine's overall superiority has been confirmed in pretty much every noteworthy source in canon:
^ Yeah thats the implication.Ultimately they were still pretty evenly matched in both Sabers and the Force given neither of them won the Saber or Force battle.
The big difference this makes to me is that Yoda legit lost the fight. Whilst with the previous version of events it seemed the fight itself was a stalemate with Yoda being the superior Saber duelist.
But now we know Yoda isnt necessarily better at sword fighting and after they both flung back, Sidious still had his Saber, wheras Yoda had lost his. So Yoda legit had to run from him because hed simply lost the fight.
The disparity between he and Yoda wasn't vast(in both sabers and the Force), but it was enough to say that Palpatine was > across the board.