Count Dooku vs Ahsoka

Dooku was following orders from Sidious during that fight and was fighting loosely. They were baiting Anakin.

Dooku thought Sidious would help him if the plan went wrong.

At first, perhaps. But once Kenobi was incapacitated and it was Dooku and Anakin one-on-one, there is no indication that Dooku was holding back. Anakin legitimately stomped him by briefly tapping into his rage(effectively showcasing a taste of the power he would wield as Vader.) 🙂

Dooku thought Sidious would help him if the plan went off track which he never did. Dooku had no reason to go all out hence no Force Lightning which was very common for Dooku to use if things got heated.

Dooku wrongly thinking that Palpatine would help him doesn't mean Dooku was holding back. It just means Palpatine duped Dooku into thinking that he'd save him if things came to that... Which he was obviously never going to do, cuz Sith.

As mentioned, there is no indication that Dooku was holding back once it was just he and Anakin fighting.

Thinking someone will help you if things go wrong is every reason to hold back especially when they told you to hold back.

He wasn't holding back. That would defeat the entire purpose of their fight, which was for Sidious to see who the better apprentice was. He of course would not want to keep the weaker of the two as an apprentice. He wanted the strongest and that was obvs Anakin.

Originally posted by Galan007
Ahsoka's fight with Maul in Rebels was literally 20 seconds long, and ended with her allowing a blinded Kanan to finish the job. Hardly enough to draw any conclusions, imo.

That's a reach. From 10:27-11:47 the battle is clearly off-screen. That's hardly "20 seconds". It's a solid minute at least that she cannot get past Maul. 20 seconds, on the other hand, is how long it took Dooku to track Obi-Wan. Also if she was able to stomp Maul the way Dooku stomped Kenobi, she would have. It was an urgent situation.

But as mentioned, we have a common denominator between Dooku and Ahsoka in the form of Anakin: Ahsoka contended pretty well against Vader(who is > RotS Anakin), whereas Dooku was decisively stomped by RotS Anakin in under a minute.

Not really. "Stomped" comes from the ROTS novel and Legends. Only Dooku on screen is clearly toying with Anakin up until the last 10 seconds of the duel where he blocks his blow with one hand and a huge grin on his face. He was caught off guard not overwhelmed.

"An enraged Anakin continued the fight, unleashing a strength Dooku had not anticipated."

"Obi-Wan and Anakin challenged the Sith Lord as a team. Dooku proved to be a formidable opponent."

How much of an advantage could it have possibly given her, though?

After RotS, Vader created a new lightsaber style for himself in order to overcome the bulk of his armor -- so it's not like she would have known what to expect there. On top of that, Vader was also fighting differently in general, and fully embracing emotions that he never would have as a Jedi.

The longest duel in the series was against Kenobi and Skywalker. When you spar for hours on end for years you get an intimate knowledge of the way how someone fights. It would certainly provide some edge.

So again, not sure how Ahsoka's Jedi training under Anakin would have realistically helped her much at all against Vader..? He was a completely different animal than Anakin.

Ahsoka hadn't trained with Anakin in over a decade, her lightsaber abilities had evolved as well and yet Filoni still believes that he could beat her in canon interviews because he trained her. Read into that further and it's the training that goes into it.

And if he was a completely different animal and pretty much a totally different duelist than comparing Vader to Anakin and their performances against Ahsoka and Dooku becomes a moot point. They have different styles, Anakin pushes to overwhelm whereas Vader has longer duels that wear out his combatants even when they are inferior to him like Ahsoka and Kenobi on the Death Star.

Originally posted by Sheev
He wasn't holding back. That would defeat the entire purpose of their fight, which was for Sidious to see who the better apprentice was. He of course would not want to keep the weaker of the two as an apprentice. He wanted the strongest and that was obvs Anakin.

Stark- "I don't like it, so I'm gonna come up with a bunch of half ass excuses that make no sense".

Like galan said- Anakin stomped Dooku after embracing his rage. The 2014 junior novel also says this.

In other words, "rage boost" Anakin was able to rape Dooku in a matter of seconds. On the flip side Ahsoka gave Vader [who was trying to kill her] a good fight. Certainly lasted longer than Dooku against an overall stronger foe.

Ahsoka take this. Get your feefees out of here lol.

Dooku was playing his part per orders of Sidious which was to set up a trap to lure Anakin.

Dooku was holding back.

No he wasn't. Stop making things up. 😬

I'm not.

Dooku was playing his part in a ruse set up by Palpatine to test Anakin in which Dooku was told by Sidious that he would help him if the plan went astray. It's all from canon sources.

So Dooku thinking that Sidious wouldn't let Anakin kill him means Dooku was holding back? Please, lol.

If I was in a sanctioned UFC fight with Conor McGregor, I'd like to think the ref would stop Conor from repeatedly bashing my head until brain matter was coming out of my ears, but that doesn't mean I would be holding back against him.

You are posting nonsense. Anakin straight up raped Dooku. Dooku thought Sidious would save him from getting decapitated, but he didn't. That's all.

The whole notion of Dooku holding back is from the original rots novel, correct? If so, that same novel paints a great picture of what's going on in Dooku's head during the duel. He was clearly outmatched.

Fine that Ahsoka could do better against Vader. But she can only dream to replace Dooku's feats against either Kenobi or Yoda.

And I think that Shitsney canon should be removed.

Fine that Ahsoka could do better against Vader. But she can only dream to replace Dooku's feats against either Kenobi or Yoda.

Dooku kills her without difficulty with either FL, TK or lighsbater.

And I think that Shitsney canon should be removed.

Originally posted by Sheev
So Dooku thinking that Sidious wouldn't let Anakin kill him means Dooku was holding back? Please, lol.

If I was in a sanctioned UFC fight with Conor McGregor, I'd like to think the ref would stop Conor from repeatedly bashing my head until brain matter was coming out of my ears, but that doesn't mean I would be holding back against him.

You are posting nonsense. Anakin straight up raped Dooku. Dooku thought Sidious would save him from getting decapitated, but he didn't. That's all.

If Dooku was really trying he would have utilized his Force Lightning more often which is something Dooku used very often. But he was following order to trap Anakin.

You haven't posted anything "straight from canon sources" though. There are no quotes or videos posted by you in this thread.

Anyway, as has been pointed out, the entire point was for Anakin to surpass Dooku. It was a test set up by Sidious. Dooku holding back would undermine the whole point of it. Therefore, the logical conclusion is that Dooku wasn't holding back. This is true even of the EU. Initially, Dooku held back but once he began to realize he was in real danger he ceased to do so.

Originally posted by ares834
You haven't posted anything "straight from canon sources" though. There are no quotes or videos posted by you in this thread.

Anyway, as has been pointed out, the entire point was for Anakin to surpass Dooku. It was a test set up by Sidious. Dooku holding back would undermine the whole point of it. Therefore, the logical conclusion is that Dooku wasn't holding back. This is true even of the EU. Initially, Dooku held back but once he began to realize he was in real danger he ceased to do so.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I'm not.

Dooku was playing his part in a ruse set up by Palpatine to test Anakin in which Dooku was told by Sidious that he would help him if the plan went astray. It's all from canon sources.

Of course there is. You are claiming stuff but without providing any evidence. Furthermore, you then go on and claim that you've posted said evidence. Ridiculous.

Regardless, as has been pointed out, Dooku holding back completely undermines the whole point of the test in the first place. So your argument holds no water.