Count Dooku vs Ahsoka

Originally posted by ares834
Of course there is. You are claiming stuff but without providing any evidence. Furthermore, you then go on and claim that you've posted said evidence. Ridiculous.

Regardless, as has been pointed out, Dooku holding back completely undermines the whole point of the test in the first place. So your argument holds no water.

Dooku was playing his part following a plan laid out by Sidious to test Anakin to see if he could be lured to the dark side and he was told by Sidious that if things went astray that he would help him. Dook was unprepared for Sidious' treachery.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I never said I posted the sources I said what I typed was from canon sources. I haven't posted them yet because I'm waiting to see your evidence.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I posted stuff straight from canon sources

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Dooku was playing his part following a plan laid out by Sidious to test Anakin to see if he could be lured to the dark side and he was told by Sidious that if things went astray that he would help him. Dook was unprepared for Sidious' treachery.

And the actual test is to see if Anakin has surpassed Dooku. This is how Sith work. Once again, it's pointless if Dooku held back.

Originally posted by ares834
Of course there is. You are claiming stuff but without providing any evidence. Furthermore, you then go on and claim that you've posted said evidence. Ridiculous.

Regardless, as has been pointed out, Dooku holding back completely undermines the whole point of the test in the first place. So your argument holds no water.

It ain't worth the trouble.... Don't waste your energy on this guy.

That being said, I still think Dooku would win a slight majority in this fight.

Originally posted by ares834
And the actual test is to see if Anakin has surpassed Dooku. This is how Sith work. Once again, it's pointless if Dooku held back.

Wrong. This is very basic stuff here.

But if you need direct evidence. Per Lucas from the commentary, "The idea is that Palaptine is testing Anakin to see if he is strong enough to become his apprentice." By defeating and killing Dooku, Anakin proved himself to be "more powerful" (direct quote from Sidious comparing Anakin and Dooku's powers) and therefore worthy.

Originally posted by ares834
Wrong. This is very basic stuff here.

But if you need direct evidence. Per Lucas from the commentary, "The idea is that Palaptine is testing Anakin to see if he is strong enough to become his apprentice." By defeating and killing Dooku, Anakin proved himself to be "more powerful" (direct quote from Sidious comparing Anakin and Dooku's powers) and therefore worthy.

Because my source states: "the abduction is an elaborate rouse, engineered to ensnare Anakin and test him to determine whether he can be turned to the dark side. Dooku realizes too late that the test involves Anakin taking his life."

I literally stated the source. It's a quote from Lucas from the commentary.

Originally posted by ares834
I literally stated the source. It's a quote from Lucas from the commentary.

I thought Galan said in another thread that Lucas comments aren't canon anymore?

I didn't edit that. That was always in my original post. Look at what you quoted.

And while I disagree with Galan's assertion that Lucas's comments aren't canon; I think it fairly obvious that the commentaries, being officially published materiel, are.

Originally posted by ares834
I didn't edit that. That was always in my original post. Look at what you quoted.

And while I disagree with Galan's assertion that Lucas's comments aren't canon; I think it fairly obvious that the commentaries, being officially published materiel, are.

My source is from Disney canon and it's from the 2015 Star Wars Ultimate Guide so yes the test was to see if they could lure him to the dark side not to see if he was stronger than Dooku.

Like I said, I didn't edit that. It was always in my original post. I made a grammatical change. Once again, look at the quote within your post. It's there.

And you think that some random ass guide overturns a direct statement from Lucas in the movie's commentary? Ok then... I'm done with this nonsense.

Originally posted by ares834
Like I said, I didn't edit that. It was always in my original post. I made a grammatical change. Once again, look at the quote within your post. It's there.

And you think that some random ass guide overturns a direct statement from Lucas in the movie's commentary? Ok then... I'm done with this nonsense.

It's canon.

Nope. I wouldn't put a random guide over the commentary and, as far as I'm aware, there is no rule that says as such.

But, funnily enough, it doesn't contradict Lucas's statement anyway. The test could easily (and in fact did) test both Anakin's strength and the possibility to turn him to the dark side. So, once more, your argument falls flat.

Originally posted by ares834
Nope. I wouldn't put a random guide over the commentary and, as far as I'm aware, there is no rule that says as such.

But, funnily enough, it doesn't contradict Lucas's statement anyway. The test could easily (and in fact did) test both Anakin's strength and the possibility to turn him to the dark side. So, once more, your argument falls flat.

Dooku has no Idea that Sidious was going to betray him, he was following orders and playing his part to test Anakin to see if they could lure him to the dark side. Dooku realises too late indicating had he known he would have been trying to kill Anakin.

This isn't rocket science.

I didn't say it wasn't canon. I said it doesn't overwrite Lucas's statement. The test can test both attributes you know. Both statements can be true.

Originally posted by ares834
I didn't say it wasn't canon. I said it doesn't overwrite Lucas's statement. The test can test both attributes you know. Both statements can be true.

No shit. Everyone knows Dooku didn't realize he was going to get killed. We've seen the movie. But that doesn't mean he held back.

Originally posted by ares834
No shit. Everyone knows Dooku didn't realize he was going to get killed. We've seen the movie. But that doesn't mean he held back.

Ok. Still doesn't prove he held back.

Originally posted by ares834
Ok. Still doesn't prove he held back.