Originally posted by Adam Grimes
WF was depowered, and weakened to the point he could barely lift his arms. And it was a planet. Traveling a lot of universeS in an instant.And it didn't burst after the first 10, so apparently it was pretty durable if you ask me. Lmao
All in all pretty weak counter tbh, Carv.
You're making this showing what its not.
Originally posted by Diesldude
Could be brotherly talk, all could have been weakened. Or he didn’t have enough power to do what he normally does. The facts are, he was weakened by a huge degree and he was no longer in the 6th dimension in a more fragile state and yet he still survived a direct impact from a planet that was hurled universes away and reached them in seconds.The energy from the planet even as great as it was, was only enough to create a portal that’s tells you what kind of energies power he has to work with in order create a universe.
Or his statement on his level of power loss could be hyperbole. He appears to be lifting his arms just fine.
Bottom line is that we see him set up for a baseball swing with his hammer. That undermines the notion of a direct hit on his person.
Originally posted by TheHulksteryou got your hyperbole mixed up.
Or his statement on his level of power loss could be hyperbole. He appears to be lifting his arms just fine.Bottom line is that we see him set up for a baseball swing with his hammer. That undermines the notion of a direct hit on his person.
But he couldn’t even create a portal. So there was definitely power loss. This means that the loss of power levels, energy draining can’t be hyperbole. That is proven when he needed the energy from the planets impact to create the portal.
If the power loss was hyperbole then he wouldn’t have needed the planets energy.
Originally posted by Diesldude
you got your hyperbole mixed up.
Him lifting his arms fine shows that his statement of barely being able to lift my arms is hyperbole.But he couldn’t even create a portal. So there was definitely power loss. This means that the loss of power levels, energy draining can’t be hyperbole. That is proven when he needed the energy from the planets impact to create the portal.
If the power loss was hyperbole then he wouldn’t have needed the planets energy.
I said "the LEVEL of power loss", expressed is hyperbole. I was referencing a level of power loss so great that he can't lift his arms. I fully agree that he loss power and I fully agree that the images show him able to lift his arms just fine.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Possibly:
You know that was pre-crisis Supergirl hitting him, right?
And that she died.
Originally posted by cdtm
Phoenix eats suns. Ergo, Superman can get a boost directly from Phoenix.Unless you can prove she converts energy in such a way that it's completely indistinguishable from the solar energy she absorbed.
Cyclops is all concussive force energy yet it was able to feed on him too. Phoenix is cosmic energy my guy, it's said throughout years of marvel comics. If it wanted to it could project solar energy as well as many others but it's not something Superman would be able to direct absorb.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
I said "the LEVEL of power loss", expressed is hyperbole. I was referencing a level of power loss so great that he can't lift his arms. I fully agree that he loss power and I fully agree that the images show him able to lift his arms just fine.
2: sure it can be hyperbole, because don’t know how much power was drained from him but it was a lot because as a guy that can create multiverses couldn’t even create a portal. So even if it was hyperbole it would suggest a significant amount of power loss.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If he hits the planet with his hammer....Doesn't that force transfer to his arms? I mean, if a car is racing towards me and I bat it away with a steel bar....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao just checked up on her respect thread. Amazing. Both her feats, and Hulkster's use of her to try and cast shade on AM lol.
Originally posted by Quick Freeze
I like Supes, but the WF thing still doesn’t sell me on much. There are plenty of characters with the power/tools to create entities/places/etc., but what are their durability feats is the question. One non-canon example of my point is that Axel Asher can create powerful new beings like Thor-El, but can barely take a street-level punch.And the collateral damage from that WF feat is also questionable. If someone pushes a button that sets of an a-bomb, does that mean they have atomic power? If someone takes a sledge hammer to that console, and that happens to trigger massive destruction, is the person wielding the hammer now considered to have capability of causing that same level of destruction?
It almost reminds of Breaking Bad when that meth head was crushed by that ATM machine, and everyone gave Jesse all the props for “dropping” it on him
Great analysis.
Originally posted by Galan007
Is there a reason why you're ignoring the fact that COIE AM, at his absolute weakest levels, was still capable of stalemating Monitor(who was packing fully multiversal power) for one million years?I assume you're *just* trying to lowball AM, but maybe there's something I'm missing...
The entire point of this particular discussion stemming from a recent post is that the ability to effect the multiverse does not automatically equate to multiversal durability or multiversal strength.
And and Monitor fired energy at each other right?
Well AM survived the destruction of the pre-crisis continuum, and its subsequent reboot into a singular universe, you realize?:
https://i.imgur.com/3XwlNsc.jpg
