Superman vs. Mangog

Originally posted by carver9
Cyborg literally states he would receive a power up from the sun.

You also have Terrific literally stated Superman was being weakened
"The only thing I knew of *yesterday* that could withstand that much heat---was you"
"*Today, you're compromised*. By your own admission, *your invulnerability is dropping by the minute*"
https://i.ibb.co/SP7LwKd/07.jpg

Later, after Superman destroyed the device in the heart of the Sun, Superman stated
"The Sun's getting back to *normal*...and, soon, *I will be, too* "
https://i.ibb.co/wSB9Nw3/20.jpg

The entire showing isn't as great as you all are making it. I just read the book. The sun was failing, so we don't even know the amount of pressure the sun was generating. It can not be compared to your average sun. Then, at half strength, most of the supers couldn't even lift a ship and it was said that even with Superman, it's POSSIBLE that they could. Imagine a Herald not being able to lift a ship, even at half power. Overall, terrible showing. Especially when we have people like Captain Marvel picking up city sized Celestials on her own and her hits being nothing to upper tier beings like Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Also, it was mentioned building an armor. Did that happen? I didn't read the comic yet.

It shows.

So you're not going to answer the question

Originally posted by carver9
So you're not going to answer the question

So the sun is powerful enough to melt inertron and promethium - which is capable of absorbing limitless energy - yet is unquantifiably weak iyo.

Superman is simultaneously getting powered up by the sun, yet simultaneously needs armour. Tell me, why would he need armour if he's getting powered up?

'I don't know, ask the writer ' would be your response.

Edit: just to add that promethium alone has been compared to adamantium, so there's that.

Originally posted by carver9
The entire showing isn't as great as you all are making it. I just read the book. The sun was failing, so we don't even know the amount of pressure the sun was generating.

Have to note that although the Sun was powerful enough to melt/break inertron and promethium, it wasn't powerful enough to break the device that was in the middle of the Sun, chilling.

Superman one shot that whilst not at full power.

Originally posted by carver9
Cyborg literally states he would receive a power up from the sun.

Screaming here 😂

And they say abhi is racist.

How does Mangog manage to hit him, when Thor a much slower character than Superman has done a great job of avoiding many of his attacks? We can’t just ignore his speed and experience at using said speed. If speed were equalized, I’d give Mangog decent odds here, but…

Oh, I forgot one other pesky little thing. It’s pointless using Doomsday as a comparable opponent, because they aren’t remotely similar in terms of power set.

Originally posted by carver9
The entire showing isn't as great as you all are making it. I just read the book. The sun was failing, so we don't even know the amount of pressure the sun was generating. It can not be compared to your average sun. Then, at half strength, most of the supers couldn't even lift a ship and it was said that even with Superman, it's POSSIBLE that they could. Imagine a Herald not being able to lift a ship, even at half power. Overall, terrible showing. Especially when we have people like Captain Marvel picking up city sized Celestials on her own and her hits being nothing to upper tier beings like Hulk.

Hulk loses fistfights to Captain America, Spiderman, Werewolf by Night and Wolverine, don't compare him to Superman anymore.

Originally posted by Juntai
Imagine Sentry, Wonderman, and Ms Marvel all struggling to lift a ship at full power, rather than so weak they're falling out of the sky.

Hulk loses fistfights to Captain America, Spiderman, Werewolf by Night and Wolverine, don't compare him to Superman anymore.

People brought up Sentry being unable to lift the hellicarrier. Even at half power, any high Herald should be able to lift a ship with their pinky. Heck, it would be a low showing if Thing or Colossus couldn't lift it, but you have a gang of Supers failing to lift it. That's pretty freaking terrible and resembles some of Supes most recent lifting fts. I still think New 52 Supes is the most powerful version of Superman to ever exist outside of Pre Crisis.

Originally posted by carver9
People brought up Sentry being unable to lift the hellicarrier. Even at half power, any high Herald should be able to lift a ship with their pinky. Heck, it would be a low showing if Thing or Colossus couldn't lift it, but you have a gang of Supers failing to lift it. That's pretty freaking terrible and resembles some of Supes most recent lifting fts. I still think New 52 Supes is the most powerful version of Superman to ever exist outside of Pre Crisis.

Kenan and Conor are down as Low Heralds.

Originally posted by carver9
People brought up Sentry being unable to lift the hellicarrier. Even at half power, any high Herald should be able to lift a ship with their pinky. Heck, it would be a low showing if Thing or Colossus couldn't lift it, but you have a gang of Supers failing to lift it. That's pretty freaking terrible and resembles some of Supes most recent lifting fts. I still think New 52 Supes is the most powerful version of Superman to ever exist outside of Pre Crisis.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Kenan and Conor are down as Low Heralds.

What about Supergirl?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because you're an idiot.

I feel your pain.

Originally posted by carver9
What about Supergirl?

Originally posted by Galan007
[b]The Master List (2/4)

Tier 3 - Herald

High
Adam Warlock, Annihilus (/w/ CCR), Asmodel, Atrocitus, Brimstone, Cyborg Superman, Despero, Doomsday (DOS), Doomsday (Gog Wars), The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Firestorm, Flash (Barry Allen, Wally West, Bart Allen), Genis-Vell, Godspeed, Grail, Grand Regent Thragg, Green Lanterns (Alan Scott, Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner), Helspont, Imperiex Probes, John Constantine, Majestic, Maxima, Obsidian, Orion, Plutonian, Quasar, Qztr, Sentry (no Void), Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Spartan 3.0, Starbrand, Starro the Conqueror, Talisman, Thor, The Weird, Ultraman, Wonder Woman, Zatanna, Zod, Zoom (Hunter Solomon)

Middle
Abra Kadabra, Alexander Nero, Apocalypse, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Battle Beast, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Bizarro Superman, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Blue Marvel, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Captain Marvel (DC), Cassandra Nova, Cheetah, Citizen Steel, Conquest, Count Nefaria, Damage, Damien Hellstrom, Dr. Doom, Eradicator (non-Fortress Mode), Etrigan, Evinlea, The Fallen One, The General (Shaggy Man), Gladiator, Graviton, Grayven, Green Lanterns (Guy Gardner, Icon (Milestone), Jessica Cruz, John Stewart, Katma, Kilowog, Simon Baz, Sodam Yat), Hulk, Hyperion, Invincible, Juggernaut (Classic), Kang, Kid Omega, Kurse, Lobo, Loki, Maestro, Magneto (616), Magus (Post-IG), Manchester Black, Mantis (New God), Martian Manhunter, Mon-El, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Spectrum), Moonstone (w/ both stones), Morg, Nate Grey, O.M.A.C., Omni-Man, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sersi, Shadowman, Shaman, Skreet, Star Sapphire (Carol Ferris), Stardust, Supergirl, Supreme (original), Ultron, Void (Wildstorm, no Creation Engine power), White Martians, Wildfire, Witchfire (Demon Form)

Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Angela, Animal Man, Apollo, Aquaman, Atlas (DC), The Atom, Big Barda, Blanque, Breach, Captain Comet, Cir-El, Coldcast, Cyborg, Darkness, Deadman, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Light II (Kimiyo Hoshi), Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Ebony Maw, Enchantress (DC), Enchantress (Marvel), Engineer, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firelord, Flash (Jay Garrick), Frankenstein (DC), Gammid, Gilgamesh, Godzilla, Gorilla Grodd, Granny Goodness, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hercules (Immortal), Iceman, Ikaris, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jericho, Jesse Quick, Kalibak, Killer Frost, King Hyperion, Krypto, Lightray, Living Monolith, Loki (Ultimate), Lunatik, Madison Jeffries (BOX IV), Magik, Magneto (U), Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Marrina (Leviathan), Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Metamorpho, Mirror Master, Morlun, Mr. M, Mr. Sinister, Nico Minoru, Nimrod, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Parasite, Plastic Man, Power Girl, Prime, Professor X, Proxima Midnight, Raven, Ravenous, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saint Walker, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Shadow King, She-Hulk, Skaar, Skeletor, Snowbird, Solar (Gold Key), Solomon Grundy, Starhawk, Starman, Super Skrull, Stryfe, Super-Man (Kenan Kong), Superboy, Supergiant, Tempest, Terrax, Thor (Ultimate), Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Union, Vision, Vulcan, Weapon H, Wendigo, Wiccan, Winter, Witchfire (Normal), Zauriel [/B]

Originally posted by carver9
What about Supergirl?

Mid-herald, so still not High Herald.

On the other hand, Sentry with the Void is Trans level. So you are still comparing a fully-powered trans level character, with.....a group of low heralds and 1 mid, all at half-power, lmao. So that would make...a group of High Metas and a Low Herald, and you are equating that to Sentry with Void, lmao.

Also, interesting note for qwerty and abhi - the guy the Superfamily was fighting, Grax, is a Pre-Crisis character. More proof that Pre-Crisis is canon again:

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Grax_(Earth-One)
Last appearance: Action Comics #418; (November, 1972)

Edit: this also assumes all the Super family are depowering at the same rate i.e. that they are all at 50%. They could be at even less power.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Supergirl is middle herald, no?

What middle herald at half strength that isn't an energy wielder can't throw a plane of that size?