Superman vs. Mangog

Originally posted by carver9
What middle herald at half strength that isn't an energy wielder can't throw a plane of that size?

What's the ship made of? Proof she's at half power?

Also, this sentence:

Originally posted by carver9
People brought up Sentry being unable to lift the hellicarrier. Even at half power, any high Herald should be able to lift a ship with their pinky.

Means nothing as none of the Superfamily there were high Heralds. Hell, not even Sentry is a high herald, he's trans, so a worse comparison.

It's literally said on panel while they are failing to push the ship.

https://ibb.co/bW8V2nJ

Large objects has been a weakness for the Supers lately.

Also, what do you want me to think the ship is made out of? If we look at the size of the ship, at most it's 20k tons, and that's being friendly.

Originally posted by carver9
It's literally said on panel while they are failing to push the ship.

https://ibb.co/bW8V2nJ

Large objects has been a weakness for the Supers lately.

Also, what do you want me to think the ship is made out of? If we look at the size of the ship, at most it's 20k tons, and that's being friendly.

So what does that have to do with my question lmao.

Again: proof she was at half power (and not, say, at 10%, or 5%, or 1%)?

And again: how heavy is that ship, and please give proof.

Originally posted by carver9
What middle herald at half strength that isn't an energy wielder can't throw a plane of that size?

Supergirl(and other superfamily members) could have been at 1% strength, 5% strength etc at that point

Carver's phone being at 50% battery says nothing about my battery level.

Originally posted by carver9
I feel your pain.

I mean honestly even without sun, we've seen operate for much longer lengths, but a writer will never let stuff like that get in the way of a story.

I'm surprised abhi and qwerty aren't making more out of the fact we see Grax again.

We see Solomon Grundy and Black Adam too, who was also Pre Crisis characters.

Originally posted by carver9
We see Solomon Grundy and Black Adam too, who was also Pre Crisis characters.

You decided to dodge the questions and try to butt in on another topic, eh?

Black Adam and Grundy haven't been seen since 1972, right?

My point is, using an already established character doesn't automatically boost everyone currently to Pre Crisis levels of power. Lol. We've actually been seeing the opposite. FAR opposite.

Originally posted by carver9
My point is, using an already established character doesn't automatically boost everyone currently to Pre Crisis levels of power. Lol. We've actually been seeing the opposite. FAR opposite.

Wut? Where does my post say anything about that?? I'm not talking about power levels here, I was pointing out that Grax, a little known character that was last seen almost 15 years before CoIE, just popped up again in a mainstream comic, and the characters were acting like they knew him well (i.e. he wasn't just introduced).

You thinking I'm saying it means everyone is PreCrisis level is....look, you're just wrong on so many posts in this thread lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm surprised abhi and qwerty aren't making more out of the fact we see Grax again.

Carver is scared that it means all characters get their PC high levels of showings.

Originally posted by Juntai
Imagine Sentry, Wonderman, and Ms Marvel all struggling to lift a ship at full power, rather than so weak they're falling out of the sky.

Hulk loses fistfights to Captain America, Spiderman, Werewolf by Night and Wolverine, don't compare him to Superman anymore.

My guy, the Hulk has variable levels of strength. You may want to stop using those references since we use the characters at their peak levels unless otherwise stated

Originally posted by Stoic
My guy, the Hulk has variable levels of strength. You may want to stop using those references since we use the characters at their peak levels unless otherwise stated

It's literally the point of his post though.

He's comparing low showings to low.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's literally the point of his post though.

He's comparing low showings to low.

Well in that case, whoever prompted the reaction shouldn’t ever say what I did, if they too argue from a low ballers point of view. Both Superman and the Hulk will always be written to be able to complete any given strength feat based on plot armor. Superman would literally use Mangog like a soccer ball if he wanted to, and Mangog would have no choice in the matter. He’s too fast.

Originally posted by Stoic
Well in that case, whoever prompted the reaction shouldn’t ever say what I did, if they too argue from a low ballers point of view. Both Superman and the Hulk will always be written to be able to complete any given strength feat based on plot armor. Superman would literally use Mangog like a soccer ball if he wanted to, and Mangog would have no choice in the matter. He’s too fast.

And surely Hulk can be used as a scooter ball too, as Superman would be too fast for him....

Hulk would cave Superman head in.

He's that fast?