Originally posted by carver9
Punched Gladiator and Sentry in the face whos comparable to Superman in speed. I'm sure I don't have to post those for you.
That's not a speed feat, though. Colossus - who Thor, THOR, has called slow lmao - has punched Gladiator before. Same with Sentry - a far more powerful version has been choked by a human-level Okoye. ABC does not work here.
Superman has been hit by all manner of beings in comics. That does not make him their level.
So you are saying Hulk is human level? OK.
Originally posted by carver9
Superman isn't as unhittable as you're trying to make him out to be. Now if we debate primarily powerset, yes, I would probably agree with you.
It's a forum ruling though? Unless Mangog or Hulk have the feats to suggest they can keep up with Superman, they are hella slower than him. That's just how speed works.
ABC logic does not work at this level - you know that. Tons of people have tagges Superman/Hulk - they are not on the same level of speed. At the same time, Hulk and Superman have tagged a lot of people - that also does not necessarily means they are the same level.
Hulk has tagged Gladiator, who has crossed galaxies in the blink of an eye. But a more powerful Hulk (WWH) was getting frustrated with Beast and Strong Guy. Is Beast >>> Gladiator in speed? Of course not.
Gambit took Gladiator's legs out. Superman has been tagged by Shadow Dragon, Batman etc. Are they all the same speed in a forum fight? No.
I'm not going to debate outside of what i see in the comics and CUS plays a huge part in most of these battles. I don't debate powersrt, Saint. I debate character and powerset. This is the reason I don't give Thor an edge over Hulk. If we debate primarily off of powersrt, beings like Sentry and Surfer would be unstoppable on a forum.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm not going to debate outside of what i see in the comics and CUS plays a huge part in most of these battles. I don't debate powersrt, Saint. I debate character and powerset. This is the reason I don't give Thor an edge over Hulk. If we debate primarily off of powersrt, beings like Sentry and Surfer would be unstoppable on a forum.
CIS is not what you think it is. You are thinking of PIS.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm not going to debate outside of what i see in the comics and CUS plays a huge part in most of these battles. I don't debate powersrt, Saint. I debate character and powerset. This is the reason I don't give Thor an edge over Hulk. If we debate primarily off of powersrt, beings like Sentry and Surfer would be unstoppable on a forum.
Meant to say CIS, lol.
Originally posted by carver9
Yes. He tends to fight like that in most of his comics. I don't see why I would automatically think he would fight a different way. So yes, he's dumb as hell.
A character like the Flash is not going to get hit by someone substantially slower than him unless they have some counter to his powers. Simple as that. Wally West isn't Superman (and I'm going to get in to this in a later post). He can't afford to get hit more than once or twice before it starts to actually impact his ability to win the fight. And this, at the end of all of this ranting on the subject, is where I try to lay it out as best as I can:The Flash/Relevant Character X will use, at a bare minimum, the least amount of speed/Relevant Power, that he is capable of using under average/normal circumstances, required to not lose the fight, or get so badly injured that it will most-likely cost him the fight.
And:
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
Comic fights are not forum fights.
Either we prove Hulk and Mangog are as fast as Superman through clear feats, or they are unable to handle the speed.
Originally posted by carver9Power set? Are you implying this is in-character?
Superman isn't as unhittable as you're trying to make him out to be. Now if we debate primarily powerset, yes, I would probably agree with you.
You're ignoring the possibility that this is Plot-Induced Stupidity. Fast characters are often tagged by slower beings or objects due to plot demands, not because they choose to be. When a character intentionally allows themselves to be hit, the story typically makes it clear to the audience that this was a deliberate decision.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And:Comic fights are not forum fights.
Either we prove Hulk and Mangog are as fast as Superman through clear feats, or they are unable to handle the speed.
Wonder Woman vs Zod, who wins? Wonder Woman has better strength, speed, and durability fts than Zod, so she should pull a hefty majority, right? Im talking aboht a stomp.
Originally posted by carver9
I already told you. In character, Superman weather's a character strength and adjust his speed accordingly. Kinda like Thor. This would be the reason he would get two pieced by Hulk.
Basic knowledge, he does this? Do you have examples of him measuring an opponent when he already knows their power level, with no PIS involved?
And then, you would need to show him being able to get one shotted, because that's what would need to happen. Full capacity durability, that Hulk would one shot someone of his durability level?
That's two things you haven't factored into your position. That Superman ALREADY KNOWS his opponent here (basic knowledge), is in a forum fight to win, and that Hulk would be able to one shot.
Because IF he tags Superman, then Superman isn't going to then go ahh again, in a PIS free forum fight and let him keep hitting him.