Homeowner’s attorney, Arbery family’s attorney respond to new video
BRUNSWICK, Ga. (WTOC) - An attorney representing the homeowner of a construction site involved in the Ahmaud Arbery case issued a statement condemning the actions taken by Gregory and Travis McMichael.
A brief surveillance clip appears to show a man that looks like Arbery inside the home minutes before he was killed on Feb. 23. A neighbor called 911 and reported someone in the home that afternoon; the home was under construction and not locked.
Minutes later, responding officers found Arbery in the middle of the road, shot to death by Travis McMichael. Another video captured the shooting. The public release of that video last week sparked nationwide attention and calls for immediate arrests.
The McMichaels told responding officers that they chased Arbery because they thought he was responsible for recent break-ins in the neighborhood. However, the only theft reported to police involved a gun stolen from Travis McMichael’s unlocked truck, according to reports provided to WTOC by the Glynn County Police Department.
The revelation of this new video showing a man that looks like Arbery inside the home prompted the GBI to respond. The agency confirmed they had the video as evidence but pointed out they had it before arresting the McMichaels.
Below is the entire statement from the homeowner’s attorney, J. Elizabeth Graddy:
"Mr. English wants to correct the mistaken impression that he had shared this video or any other information with the McMichaels prior to the McMichaels’ decision to chase Mr. Arbery. The homeowners had not even seen the February 23 video before Travis McMichael shot Mr. Arbery. When homeowner Larry English saw the photos of Mr. Arbery that were later broadcast, his first impression was that Mr. Arbery was not the man captured on video inside the house on February 23, and he said that to a neighbor.
In the months prior to February 23, a motion-activated camera had captured videos of someone inside the house (which was and remains a construction site) at night. Mr. English has never said that Mr. Arbery was the person or persons in those videos, and he does not see a resemblance now. After the first time that video captured someone in the house, Mr. English contacted local law enforcement on a non-emergency number and made them aware of the unauthorized entry onto his property. He never used the word "burglary." He never shared any of this information with the McMichaels, whom he did not even know. Nothing was ever stolen from the house -- which, again, was a construction site. Even if there had been a robbery, however, the English family would not have wanted a vigilante response. They would have entrusted the matter to law enforcement authorities. On February 23, the English family was two hours away from the Satilla Shores neighborhood andwas unaware of the tragedy that was unfolding. Mr. English was not the one who called 911 on February 23. The only crime that the homeowner has seen captured on video is the senseless killing of Mr. Arbery." -snip
Very interesting.
The McMichael's lawyers are going to have some explaining to do, as there apparently wasn't a 'series of break-ins' in the neighborhood which is the reason the McMichaels said they chased down Arbery in the first place, aside from a gun stolen from Michael's unlocked truck. Which is just irresponsible, if you keep a gun in your car, lock it up, a kid could get in there. They were also seemingly not aware of the video in which it could or could not be Arbery in the construction site.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
How is this thread still going on?
At this point I don't know, as it's been pretty well established there is no evidence this was racially motivated nor is there evidence they just hunted down a random guy and murdered him.
You see people will wanna keep this story in the headlines because...well, you know what is going on with Flynn, etc. lol. The Russia thing is falling apart and now those who unmasked Flynn have been declassified by Grenell and made known to Barr lol.
These next few days sure will be interesting.
Originally posted by Robtard
Homeowner’s attorney, Arbery family’s attorney respond to new videoBRUNSWICK, Ga. (WTOC) - An attorney representing the homeowner of a construction site involved in the Ahmaud Arbery case issued a statement condemning the actions taken by Gregory and Travis McMichael.
A brief surveillance clip appears to show a man that looks like Arbery inside the home minutes before he was killed on Feb. 23. A neighbor called 911 and reported someone in the home that afternoon; the home was under construction and not locked.
Minutes later, responding officers found Arbery in the middle of the road, shot to death by Travis McMichael. Another video captured the shooting. The public release of that video last week sparked nationwide attention and calls for immediate arrests.
[b]The McMichaels told responding officers that they chased Arbery because they thought he was responsible for recent break-ins in the neighborhood. However, the only theft reported to police involved a gun stolen from Travis McMichael’s unlocked truck, according to reports provided to WTOC by the Glynn County Police Department.
The revelation of this new video showing a man that looks like Arbery inside the home prompted the GBI to respond. The agency confirmed they had the video as evidence but pointed out they had it before arresting the McMichaels.
Below is the entire statement from the homeowner’s attorney, J. Elizabeth Graddy:
"Mr. English wants to correct the mistaken impression that he had shared this video or any other information with the McMichaels prior to the McMichaels’ decision to chase Mr. Arbery. The homeowners had not even seen the February 23 video before Travis McMichael shot Mr. Arbery. When homeowner Larry English saw the photos of Mr. Arbery that were later broadcast, his first impression was that Mr. Arbery was not the man captured on video inside the house on February 23, and he said that to a neighbor.
In the months prior to February 23, a motion-activated camera had captured videos of someone inside the house (which was and remains a construction site) at night. Mr. English has never said that Mr. Arbery was the person or persons in those videos, and he does not see a resemblance now. After the first time that video captured someone in the house, Mr. English contacted local law enforcement on a non-emergency number and made them aware of the unauthorized entry onto his property. He never used the word "burglary." He never shared any of this information with the McMichaels, whom he did not even know. Nothing was ever stolen from the house -- which, again, was a construction site. Even if there had been a robbery, however, the English family would not have wanted a vigilante response. They would have entrusted the matter to law enforcement authorities. On February 23, the English family was two hours away from the Satilla Shores neighborhood andwas unaware of the tragedy that was unfolding. Mr. English was not the one who called 911 on February 23. The only crime that the homeowner has seen captured on video is the senseless killing of Mr. Arbery." -snip
Very interesting.
The McMichael's lawyers are going to have some explaining to do, as there apparently wasn't a 'series of break-ins' in the neighborhood which is the reason the McMichaels said they chased down Arbery in the first place, aside from a gun stolen from Michael's unlocked truck. Which is just irresponsible, if you keep a gun in your car, lock it up, a kid could get in there. They were also seemingly not aware of the video in which it could or could not be Arbery in the construction site. [/B]
How interesting. Actual court documents disagree with that article. lol
Originally posted by dadudemon
You're fine: don't worry, I'm not going to jump all over you. I know how it gets in these threads but as long as people remain calm, avoid personal attacks, these discussions can last pages while maintaining respect.👆
Here is that document I referenced. Note that it references the actual laws for all positions he takes:
Here is the police/court report document which lists Larry English as a burglary and trespassing victim:
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6915-arbery-shooting/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf
Keep in mind, Larry was the one that rallied the McMichael's which is why the court doc says "first hand knowledge."
Also, it shows that McMichael saw Arbery "hauling ass" after breaking in and that Arbery matched the person on the video footage from the previous breakins (the break-ins that happened prior to that day which had everyone on high-alert).
Lastly, and this is what should have stopped this case from going anywhere, the original prosecutor mentions a 3rd video which has not been made public.
And love them or hate them, NYTimes is the source for this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/26/us/ahmed-arbery-shooting-georgia.html
Exactly. As soon as he touches or rummages through anything in that video, nothing can stop the burglary label as defined by Georgia law. It can no longer be "he just walked around, didn't do anything" and instead, "it's an obvious burglary casing and he had the intent to burglarize the place if he found anything" which then puts the McMichael's pursuit in the legal category instead of it being up for interpretation.
According to the original prosecutor who has another video that has not be released to the public, it's not the item being considered. What is being considered is if deadly force was legally justifiable in that scenario.
Also, here's the image of the supposed hammer that people keep talking about:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXg1SphX0AAy42w?format=jpg&name=900x900
I would love to see the evidence listing of all crime scene items. So this rumor can be put to bed.
Pretty terrible that Vox covered this even better by referencing the missing fishing gear and gun:
But don't worry, I am better at journalism that WTOC. I've got your back.
It wasn't Mr. English who identified Arbery in those videos. It was his own family. 👆
https://www.thecut.com/2020/05/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-georgia-explainer.html
McMichaels: We chased him down because there's been a series of break-ins and he looks like the man caught on a surveillance video
Glynn County Police: We've only had one report and it was from McMichael's, his gun being stolen from his unlocked truck
Owner of the surveillance video: I never shared this video with the McMichael's
Originally posted by dadudemon
How interesting. Actual court documents disagree with that article. lolPretty terrible that Vox covered this even better by referencing the missing fishing gear and gun:
But don't worry, I am better at journalism that WTOC. I've got your back.
It wasn't Mr. English who identified Arbery in those videos. It was his own family. 👆
https://www.thecut.com/2020/05/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-georgia-explainer.html
It's really kind of you to go out of your way like that just to keep Rob so well informed 👆
You're a good friend to him.
DDM can do his red herring thing all he likes and Surt can do his cheerleader thing as standard. Won't change the fact that the owner of the video is now on record saying he never shared it with the McMichael's:
"Mr. English contacted local law enforcement on a non-emergency number and made them aware of the unauthorized entry onto his property. He never used the word "burglary." He never shared any of this information with the McMichaels, whom he did not even know. Nothing was ever stolen from the house -- which, again, was a construction site." -snip
Originally posted by Robtard/end 👆
DDM can do his red herring thing all he likes and Surt can do his cheerleader thing as standard. Won't change the fact that the owner of the video is now on record saying he never shared it with the McMichael's:"Mr. English contacted local law enforcement on a non-emergency number and made them aware of the unauthorized entry onto his property. He never used the word "burglary." He never shared any of this information with the McMichaels, whom he did not even know. Nothing was ever stolen from the house -- which, again, was a construction site." -snip
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!It is possible Larry English is lying and he both knew the McMichaels and shared the video. But it's also possible the McMichaels are lying.
/end 👆
But English going on record via his lawyer that he didn't doesn't bode well for the McMichael's defense. As "he was the guy on video" is their reason for chasing after Arbery and laying in wait.
Originally posted by Robtard
McMichaels: We chased him down because there's been a series of break-ins and he looks like the man caught on a surveillance videoGlynn County Police: We've only had one report and it was from McMichael's, his gun being stolen from his unlocked truck
Owner of the surveillance video: I never shared this video with the McMichael's
Oh? Resorting to lying, now?
From the NYT article I posted:
Gregory McMichael later told the police that Mr. Arbery looked like the suspect in a string of nearby break-ins.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/us/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-arrest.html
Additionally, there is other surveillance footage that they did see:
The father and son said they thought he matched the appearance of a burglary suspect who had been recorded on a surveillance camera.
But wait, there's more!
Gregory McMichael told police that he and his adult son thought the runner matched the description of someone caught on a security camera committing a recent break-in in the neighborhood.
https://fox6now.com/2020/05/11/1386842/
How else are they supposed to have first hand knowledge, according to the court documents I've also already posted?
How interesting, right? It's as if we have limited information about the case. 🙂
Seems like they will get convicted for lying or acquitted, depending on evidence.
Originally posted by Robtard
It is possible Larry English is lying and he both knew the McMichaels and shared the video. But it's also possible the McMichaels are lying.But English going on record via his lawyer that he didn't doesn't bode well for the McMichael's defense. As "he was the guy on video" is their reason for chasing after Arbery and laying in wait.
What's true is the McMichael's never said English shared that video with them: how could he? He was 2 hours away. What is clear is the McMichael's said Arbery matched the appearance of the burglar that was already caught on surveillance. This will destroy the McMichael's case if it can be proven they never saw footage - no first-hand account to justify lawful pursuit under Georgia law.
Edit - NB4 "not what you said" and I can be wrong. We have limited information are we all are making assumptions. What I do know is we are missing a 3rd video, still, that hasn't been released to the public. It was enough to not bring up charges, before. We won't get to see that video as it likely shows a much more graphic killing of Arbery and/or does not make the victim look good at all (thus harming the trial - that's the way it should be handled so the jury gets a fair review of the facts in a court-room setting).
Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh? Resorting to lying, now?From the NYT article I posted:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/us/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-arrest.html
Additionally, there is other surveillance footage that they did see:
But wait, there's more!
https://fox6now.com/2020/05/11/1386842/
How else are they supposed to have first hand knowledge, according to the court documents I've also already posted?
How interesting, right? It's as if we have limited information about the case. 🙂
Seems like they will get convicted for lying or acquitted, depending on evidence.
I'm sorry bro, I broke his psyche and now this is what he does.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh? Resorting to lying, now?From the NYT article I posted:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/us/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-arrest.html
Additionally, there is other surveillance footage that they did see:
But wait, there's more!
https://fox6now.com/2020/05/11/1386842/
How else are they supposed to have first hand knowledge, according to the court documents I've also already posted?
How interesting, right? It's as if we have limited information about the case. 🙂
Seems like they will get convicted for lying or acquitted, depending on evidence.
What's true is the McMichael's never said English shared that video with them: how could he? He was 2 hours away. What is clear is the McMichael's said Arbery matched the appearance of the burglar that was already caught on surveillance. This will destroy the McMichael's case if it can be proven they never saw footage - no first-hand account to justify lawful pursuit under Georgia law.
Edit - NB4 "not what you said" and I can be wrong. We have limited information are we all are making assumptions. What I do know is we are missing a 3rd video, still, that hasn't been released to the public. It was enough to not bring up charges, before. We won't get to see that video as it likely shows a much more graphic killing of Arbery and/or does not make the victim look good at all (thus harming the trial - that's the way it should be handled so the jury gets a fair review of the facts in a court-room setting).
No lying to be had, it's right there in the story.
You argued that the McMichaels had seen the video of Arbery in the construction site. It's on this page. Now it's a different video...
So I'm a liar, but you can just be wrong. Legit lol'd at that.