Originally posted by Surtur
Neither of us knows what he told the prosecutor.Speaking of the 911 call, why would two guys about to commit a hate crime call the cops?
nice deflection. i'll answer after you stop dodging and confront this:
the evidence so far strongly suggests that mcmichaels was not informed of any unreported theft from english's property. therefor it seems he was trying to pass off one theft as a crimewave. your feelings and deflections do not alter this
Since the crux of the argument is not being debated anymore, why waste more time on it?
All parties acknowledge a series of break-ins and burglaries. There's nothing left to "debate." From here, it's just ego stroking and e-wins.
I say move on to the next part of the case: first-hand knowledge of Arbery's break-in/burglary. Do they have it? Is it proven that Arbery burgled under Georgia State Law?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Since the crux of the argument is not being debated anymore, why waste more time on it?All parties acknowledge a series of break-ins and burglaries. There's nothing left to "debate." From here, it's just ego stroking and e-wins.
I say move on to the next part of the case: first-hand knowledge of Arbery's break-in/burglary. Do they have it? Is it proven that Arbery burgled under Georgia State Law?
You're right, they've had 83 pages to prove their racism narrative is the correct one and have utterly failed.
911 call has no mention of a previous B&E concerning English. do you not think that would have supported the case for suspected criminal intent?
put yourself in McMichaels' shoes (should be easy for you) and you were about to chase down someone with intent to apprehend:. would you not mention that the owner of the same property was previously a victim of B&E? don't you think that would help justify your actions (as well as attempt to validate the claim of "a lot" of B&E)?
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
911 call has no mention of a previous B&E concerning English. do you not think that would have supported the case for suspected criminal intent?put yourself in McMichaels' shoes (should be easy for you) and you were about to chase down someone with intent to apprehend:. would you not mention that the owner of the same property was previously a victim of B&E? don't you think that would help justify your actions?
It's over, take the L. You failed to show they have racist motivations.
You failed to prove your case, and no the lack of mentioning that specific theft on the call means nothing.
You have failed to show why the McMichaels are racist. The most you have accomplished here is that you planted the idea that maybe Larry English is racist, maybe. But that no has relevance on if the shooters were racist, which was the false narrative peddled from the start.
You lost this one. You were duped. Own it and move on.
Originally posted by Surturaccording to English he never spoke to the Mcmichaels about any trespassing or burglaries, and didnt know about the text from the police until days after the shooting, and he didnt know about the break in the day of the shooting until after Ahmaud was dead.
Never said I had evidence they knew. We do have evidence English had their number in order to call for assistance. It's possible he alerted them to the theft. Maybe he volunteered the information to them, maybe they had mentioned to him about how they were robbed and then he told them. Or maybe he never told them.But trying to say their comments about a rash of break-ins supports the opinion that they are racist is just crazy.
Anyways, in your *opinion*, was English lying when he said he was robbed?
"I can confirm that Larry English’s phone received that text on Dec. 20, but he did not see it until today (because he often fails to open texts and even emails).
He is not tech-savvy, and this is a photo taken with another phone because he does not know how to take a screenshot."- statement from Englishs Attorney
"According to the statement, the English family was two hours away from Satilla Shores when the shooting happened and did not watch the video until about 20 minutes after English received an alert someone was in the house. By that time, Arbery had already been killed."
"Graddy said her client wants to "correct the mistaken impression" that English had shared the video or any other information about what had occurred at the property with the McMichaels before the shooting or at all. English had only briefly met the younger McMichael once in 2019, when he went to the construction site to introduce himself, Graddy said."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1205191
I dont know who is telling the truth here but it doesn't seem like Mr English and the Mcmichaels are on the same page.
Originally posted by Raptor22
according to English he never spoke to the Mcmichaels about any trespassing or burglaries, and didnt know about the text from the police until days after the shooting, and he didnt know about the break in the day of the shooting until after Ahmaud was dead."I can confirm that Larry English’s phone received that text on Dec. 20, but he did not see it until today (because he often fails to open texts and even emails).
He is not tech-savvy, and this is a photo taken with another phone because he does not know how to take a screenshot."- statement from Englishs Attorney"According to the statement, the English family was two hours away from Satilla Shores when the shooting happened and did not watch the video until about 20 minutes after English received an alert someone was in the house. By that time, Arbery had already been killed."
"Graddy said her client wants to "correct the mistaken impression" that English had shared the video or any other information about what had occurred at the property with the McMichaels before the shooting or at all. English had only briefly met the younger McMichael once in 2019, when he went to the construction site to introduce himself, Graddy said."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1205191
I dont know who is telling the truth here but it doesn't seem like Mr English and the Mcmichaels are on the same page.
Some great info!
Unfortunately we are still left with no evidence to support the racist narrative.
Originally posted by Surtur
You failed to prove your case, and no the lack of mentioning that specific theft on the call means nothing.
considering it was the same property owner which he was "defending" it would have helped justify his claim of criminal suspicion.
instead it seems he only knew of one B&E (his own incident). very relevant and quite damning.
Originally posted by Surtur
You have failed to show why the McMichaels are racist. The most you have accomplished here is that you planted the idea that maybe Larry English is racist, maybe. But that no has relevance on if the shooters were racist, which was the false narrative peddled from the start.
another nimble dodge. yet i never asserted as fact that the seemingly-obvious wrongful killing was race motivated. but you have fun playing dress-up with that strawman you've constructed.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
considering it was the same property owner which he was "defending" it would have helped justify his claim of criminal suspicion.instead it seems he only knew of one B&E (his own incident). very relevant and quite damning.
another nimble dodge. yet i never asserted as fact that the seemingly-obvious wrongful killing was race motivated. but you have fun playing dress-up with that strawman you've constructed.
You just passive aggressively implied they were racist at first before just coming out and saying that in your opinion they are racist.
You still haven't given any rational basis for this opinion you hold, but alas you are free to be wrong 👆
(quote is broken for raptor's post)
"according to English he never spoke to the Mcmichaels about any trespassing or burglaries, and didnt know about the text from the police until days after the shooting, and he didnt know about the break in the day of the shooting until after Ahmaud was dead."
Originally posted by Surtur
Some great info!Unfortunately we are still left with no evidence to support the racist narrative.
😂 you didn't even read his post, did you?
so either english is a liar or mcmichaels only knew of one B&E (his own), and was lying about "a lot" of B&E to try and justify his actions
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
(quote is broken for raptor's post)"[b]according to English he never spoke to the Mcmichaels about any trespassing or burglaries
, and didnt know about the text from the police until days after the shooting, and he didnt know about the break in the day of the shooting until after Ahmaud was dead."😂 you didn't even read his post, did you?
so either english is a liar or mcmichaels only knew of one B&E (his own) [/B]
I sure did read it, and nothing in his post showed any evidence for the racism narrative.
I'm so sorry this happened to you 🙂
surt's time-waster trolling aside:
evidence points to no prior knowledge of any stolen fishing equipment from english's property; thus mcmichaels seems to have only had knowledge of his own B&E incident.
please explain how one theft = "a lot". when you're done, you should forward your revelation to mcmichaels' attorney.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
surt's time-waster trolling aside:evidence points to no prior knowledge of any stolen fishing equipment from english's property; thus mcmichaels seems to have only had knowledge of his own B&E incident.
please explain how one theft = "a lot". when you're done, you should forward your revelation to mcmichaels' attorney.
And no evidence points to racism as a motive 👆
And I've said before even if they were mistaken about the number of break-ins it doesn't support the racist narrative.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
surt's time-waster trolling aside:evidence points to no prior knowledge of any stolen fishing equipment from english's property; thus mcmichaels seems to have only had knowledge of his own B&E incident.
please explain how one theft = "a lot". when you're done, you should forward your revelation to mcmichaels' attorney.
Not reading back since Friday
But it is looking more and more like McMichael's was pissed off someone stole his gun from his unlocked truck and this was the reason for his vigilantism.