Originally posted by celeyhyga17
😂Y do i feel like this is troo. I try not to use that phrase too often, but it does does remind me of Abhi whenever I see it being used.
Seems like I recall him using that against Surfer in the past. I know that he is who I first heard it from and he used it repeatedly.
Originally posted by carver9
Space cheese fts are relevant but not as relevant as you all make it out to be. Spiderman has survived the ultimate nullifier and he would still lose against Wolverine. Lol... people cling to space cheese fts because they have nothing else. This is why I make threads asking for fights because 9 times out of 10, I know they don't exist. When these people fight that have pretty good space cheese fts, they look just as normal as any other Herald. There are a very few number of characters that have both. Thanos and Hulk are good examples of beings who have both.
How do we know Batman is a street?
Because he can't outrun bullets, or bench 1 ton, or etc etc.
Yet, his battle feats speak for themselves.
The above underlined is the definition of PIS.
But when a certain DC character "saves all existence by himself" numerous times throughout his history(to the point where you can pretty much count on said character saving the day whenever he needs to), why would it still be written-off as "space cheese"..?
I understand thinking of those kind of feats as higher-end showings... But trying to outright ignore them, cuz "space cheese" just wreaks of ignorance to me. /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007
But when a certain DC character "saves all existence by himself" numerous times throughout his history(to the point where you can pretty much count on said character saving the day whenever he needs to), why would it still be written-off as "space cheese"..?I understand thinking of those kind of feats as higher-end showings... But trying to outright ignore them, cuz "space cheese" just wreaks of ignorance to me. /shrug
Pretty much. Marvel just doesn't have a Superman. Only one who comes close is Thor and his character has been thru the wringer for awhile now.
Originally posted by Galan007
But when a certain DC character "saves all existence by himself" numerous times throughout his history(to the point where you can pretty much count on said character saving the day whenever he needs to), why would it still be written-off as "space cheese"..?I understand thinking of those kind of feats as higher-end showings... But trying to outright ignore them, cuz "space cheese" just wreaks of ignorance to me. /shrug
Which fts get written off as PIS though? The only time people debate against something is when context is involved or an amp is involved. Outright winning fights by punching someone to sleep should be non-debatable.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Pretty much. Marvel just doesn't have a Superman. Only one who comes close is Thor and his character has been thru the wringer for awhile now.
I dont know what youre talking about. You saying that is me saying DC doesn't have a Hulk. No one close to being as consistent as he is.
To the mods:
How does Carver's post (which I am sure others will agree with):
Originally posted by carver9
When these people fight that have pretty good space cheese fts, they look just as normal as any other Herald.
Mesh with the PIS rule?
At times, for the sake of the plot, characters that are immensely more powerful than their opponent will "job" to carry on the plot of the story, even though the characters powers and history would clearly show that they are more than capable of destroying their opponent. For this reason we have a No PIS Rule. This rule prohibits the use of such instances of PIS from being used as evidence in debates.
So we have characters who can outrun time, lift happiness, punch music, are more durable than anger or whatever - yet, as Carver says, look normal when interacting with characters who don't do these things, like against normal tractors or talking gorillas.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I say it depends on how many appearances a character has.The more popular a character (or more accurately, the more appearances they have) the more "space cheese" should take precedence over "fights".
Why? Because they start to get jobbed out to the new flavours of the week. When Grail first appeared, she took on the entire League, was owning an amped WW etc....
Now she's not at that level.
When Zoom first appeared, he was casually blocking a bloodlusted Wally with one hand.
Now? Liberty Belle, Batman etc have had their moments with Zoom.
Onto Marvel. Voidtry gets sucked off by Fat Cobra. Proxima gets outmanoeuvred by random Wakandans. Low showings? Yes - but that's my point. The more they appear in mainstream comics, the more they - especially the powerful characters - have to job so that lazy writers can continue to churn out stories with them struggling.
But we still know that Zoom is fast. That Voidtry is powerful. Because their "space cheese" is still valid.
😂 At no point has Batman beaten zoom
that was Thawne Bruce stab and Hunter was the one who caught Wally punches easily and theN Proceeds to wreck him...Two completely different power sets from two different people
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 At no point has Batman beaten zoomthat was Thawne Bruce stab and Hunter was the one who caught Wally punches easily and theN Proceeds to wreck him...Two completely different power sets from two different people
At no point did I say Batman beat Zoom 😂
Here is Thawne:
But Thawne or Hunter, what does it matter? Batman should still be nothing to them. He shouldn't even be able to register that they are present. My point eludes you, in your silly attempt at trying to poke holes, you miss the forest for the trees.
My point is that the more a character gets exposed to 'established' characters, the more they will job,so as to preserve the status quo. Thus, 'combat feats' become less useful to determine a character's level.
Eobard Thawne is Professor Zoom.....
And how does that detract from my point??
But since you want to be a childish prick, here, lol - Hunter is unable to kill Batman with 7 punches - remember, as per WW, Hunter punches harder than Superman 😂
AGAIN, my point for the slow readers/trolls: My point is that the more a character gets exposed to 'established' characters, the more they will job,so as to preserve the status quo. Thus, 'combat feats' become less useful to determine a character's level.
Albert, you're missing the forest for the trees. Hunter, Eobard - it doesn't matter. The main point is that writers, over time, will dilute combat showings, especially against established characters.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
ZOOM was toying with them the entire time are you SERIOUS? 😂 He didn't even want to kill wally
👆 so what is your point? That Batman's showings with Hunter are valid? OK.
So as per my original post, Batman had his moment with Zoom. Nothing to nitpick there. Thanks, and glad we both agree. 🙂
Next page, we can even see Batman is standing - so not even KO'd. Nothing.
Concession accepted.
I mean that's not really a low showing but aight lol
and yes i generally agree, a lot of characters will invariably be used for "clout" wins, especially with new "flavor of the month" characters who shouldn't be competing at that level but writers dont understand how to write a growth loss or utilize a character more in that person's range for a believable win, so they write an absurd win which becomes an absurd lowball and diminishes a lot of good characters, villians especially while turning a lot of folk off the new mary/gary sue