The death of George Floyd/Chauvin guilty

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm legitimately shocked. It's from Pew - that are not bad pollsters and social issue researchers.

Previous research has shown that extreme forms of protest (committing crimes) makes people dislike your platform/position.

Either they grossly over-sampled for the Bradley Effect or previous research needs to be redone to see why some forms of extreme protest do not always drive people away from the message.

They say whites are divided down political lines.

Ok, so does this divide also reflect black opinions?

If that were the case, it would be a "No duh" poll. Democrats hate Trump, Republicans support him.

We finally have bodycam footage thanks to the generally shitty DailyMail.

Complete uninterrupted bodycam footage form beginning of confrontation to when Floyd gets moved to the ground.

YouTube video

Floyd was out of his mind, high as a kite. I heard the part where he said he was "hooping" and also where Floyd lies about his mom dying.

He resisted quite a bit. He did NOT want to go into the car. As we later found out, it would not have been good if he was arrested again.

Some say in the full video (shortly after this one ends), he kicks an officer. I didn't see that at all.

Here's the full vid if anyone is interested:

https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2020/07/30/5005474934801646650/960x540_MP4_5005474934801646650.mp4

And here is the full transcript for this encounter.

https://www.twincities.com/2020/07/09/george-floyd-transcript-read-it-in-full-here/

Page 14, they called for an ambulance which also reduces or even eliminates the "gross negligence" portion of the debate, too.

Also, Floyd did seem like a nice dude. Harmless. Just from that confrontation. He doesn't want to go back to jail. He just really really didn't want to be arrested. Surprised the cops didn't shoot him for not putting his hands on his steering wheel, repeatedly, when asked to. And when he was told to put his hands on his head, he shortly took them off. That's a great way to get shot by police in the US (the best way, actually).

Edit - I think we are going to have 4 acquittals on our hands an massive rioting, again. It just will not go over well when these officers are acquitted.

On a scale of 1-10, how likely do you feel it is George Floyd would be alive today if he had not resisted arrest?

If they get acquitted and people start setting buildings on fire I want live rounds used on the arsonists 👆

Originally posted by Surtur
On a scale of 1-10, how likely do you feel it is George Floyd would be alive today if he had not resisted arrest?

1 being 100% dead and 10 being 100% alive?

A solid 1. He'd be dead even if he didn't resist arrest and never saw the police. He had meth, weed, and a lethal level of Fentanyl in his blood. I've already said this. I said he would have killed himself within 2 weeks from drugs based on his heart problems and his drug use.

Okay so 1-10, 10 being 100% dead, what are the chances a *cop* would have killed him if he didn't resist?

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay so 1-10, 10 being 100% dead, what are the chances a *cop* would have killed him if he didn't resist?

0%.

However, the training is definitely on the police to sit down a belligerent and high suspect until the ambulance arrives to deliver some Narcan and check his vitals.

Just get him to sit down on the sidewalk, outside, until the ambulance EMT's gives him a once over. They knew he was blitzed out of his mind - it was caught on the bodycams.

IMO, this points to a training issue. However, do you think I'm some super genius police protocol expert? Compared to all 4 of those police officers, I am. 🙂

It's amazing the mental acrobats people go through to justify a wrong. There was no need to kneel on this man's neck beyond the point of his death. And to do so with such an apparent air of smugness only magnifies and exasperates the act.

Rather the man was high, a criminal, he clearly had some sort of mental deficiency.
I'm not getting into the whole racial bullshit debate because there those here who are posting for obvious personal agendas.

I'm just going to state once again that George Floyd should not have died in this manner and that improper and bad policing must be addressed and corrected.

Originally posted by dadudemon
We finally have bodycam footage thanks to the generally shitty DailyMail.

Complete uninterrupted bodycam footage form beginning of confrontation to when Floyd gets moved to the ground.

YouTube video

Floyd was out of his mind, high as a kite. I heard the part where he said he was "hooping" and also where Floyd lies about his mom dying.

He resisted quite a bit. He did NOT want to go into the car. As we later found out, it would not have been good if he was arrested again.

Some say in the full video (shortly after this one ends), he kicks an officer. I didn't see that at all.

Here's the full vid if anyone is interested:

https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2020/07/30/5005474934801646650/960x540_MP4_5005474934801646650.mp4

And here is the full transcript for this encounter.

https://www.twincities.com/2020/07/09/george-floyd-transcript-read-it-in-full-here/

Page 14, they called for an ambulance which also reduces or even eliminates the "gross negligence" portion of the debate, too.

Also, Floyd did seem like a nice dude. Harmless. Just from that confrontation. He doesn't want to go back to jail. He just really really didn't want to be arrested. Surprised the cops didn't shoot him for not putting his hands on his steering wheel, repeatedly, when asked to. And when he was told to put his hands on his head, he shortly took them off. That's a great way to get shot by police in the US (the best way, actually).

Edit - I think we are going to have 4 acquittals on our hands an massive rioting, again. It just will not go over well when these officers are acquitted.

Police in the US definitely needs more training. That includes psych evaluations, especially after a shooting.

Originally posted by tru-marvell
It's amazing the mental acrobats people go through to justify a wrong. There was no need to kneel on this man's neck beyond the point of his death. And to do so with such an apparent air of smugness only magnifies and exasperates the act.

Rather the man was high, a criminal, he clearly had some sort of mental deficiency.
I'm not getting into the whole racial bullshit debate because there those here who are posting for obvious personal agendas.

I'm just going to state once again that George Floyd should not have died in this manner and that improper and bad policing must be addressed and corrected.

It's true there was no need, just like there was no need to be high on meth and fentanyl pushing counterfeit bills and then resisting arrest.

He f*cked around and found out and that is tragic. A lot of people these days f*cking around and finding out.

Originally posted by SquallX
Police in the US definitely needs more training. That includes psych evaluations, especially after a shooting.

Yep, the focus should be on training.

The problem is those who are obsessed with race just wanna bottom line these problems as "racist cops".

Focus should be on technology too. Get Elon Musk to create a non-lethal method of taking people down quickly. Dude can put a car into space, but not that?!

Originally posted by Surtur
Focus should be on technology too. Get Elon Musk to create a non-lethal method of taking people down quickly. Dude can put a car into space, but not that?!

100 % agree....

Originally posted by Surtur
Focus should be on technology too. Get Elon Musk to create a non-lethal method of taking people down quickly. Dude can put a car into space, but not that?!

YouTube video

Originally posted by dadudemon
0%.

However, the training is definitely on the police to sit down a belligerent and high suspect until the ambulance arrives to deliver some Narcan and check his vitals.

Just get him to sit down on the sidewalk, outside, until the ambulance EMT's gives him a once over. They knew he was blitzed out of his mind - it was caught on the bodycams.

IMO, this points to a training issue. However, do you think I'm some super genius police protocol expert? Compared to all 4 of those police officers, I am. 🙂

So what do you think should happen to the cops in terms of punishment?

Originally posted by Surtur
So what do you think should happen to the cops in terms of punishment?

If it can be proven that they did receive proper training that would have resulted in them picking the "sidewalk, sit down, and get EMT assistance" option, then they can get some criminal charges that might be very hard to get to stick.

If they didn't get that training, Floyd's family and massive team of super lawyers can sue the city for shitty policing SOPs.

I think maybe the manslaughter will stick, but not the other charges.

And then people will riot.

Originally posted by tru-marvell
Another person literally choked to death by cop(s)
The fact that his pos kept his knee on his neck long after the suspect stopped moving....just omg!

https://www.tmz.com/

I don't just want the cops to be better trained. I want us to initiate programs for public schools teaching young people how to properly interact with the police. Teach them their rights. Teach them how to file grievances if they feel they were treated wrong during an encounter with the police.

You want civilians to train how to deal with police but not train police how to deal with people?