The death of George Floyd/Chauvin guilty

Originally posted by Surtur
Dude, you pull the same tactic over and over. If DDM is here and he dunks on you, you do the hangouts or "he's your daddy" shtick. If it's Silent Master or me you just do this "time waster" stuff when you have no argument.

The fact is I'm not a fascist, you do not know what fascism is if you feel that way. Same for if you think I'm a nazi or hell even nazi adjacent, you're not an intelligent person.

Do better, my advice is you let this go.

I see you're blowing your rape whistle for ddm to swoop in again, yet if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc...

if your quote can fit perfectly into a "normal guy nazi" meme, you're probably a racist who should take a seat

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
I see you're blowing your rape whistle for ddm to swoop in again, yet if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc....

Like I said: you're legitimately not an intelligent person if you feel I'm even nazi adjacent. I'd just let this go, we're not gonna spend the next 10 pages with you embarrassing yourself trying to prove otherwise.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
I see you're blowing your rape whistle for ddm to swoop in again, yet if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc....

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
For duck I hope you mean Nazi peice of shit!

Go on, call me a nazi 🙂

Originally posted by cdtm
Needed how?

What possible good can come from these protests?

What are they protesting? I hear a lot of generalized talks of racism, systemic bias, police brutality. That kind of thing needs investigations and reforms, not demands for immediate change as the problem isn't as black and white as death camps or purgings.

Truth is they are just reinforcing all the negative stereotypes.

And this sure as shit isn't gonna make the cops care more.

And yeah sure places like Target are insured, but what about all the small businesses? And an under construction affordable housing development? Destroyed.

Originally posted by Surtur
Police in Minneapolis withdraw from locations in the city as looters take over during protest

I say leave some of the buildings like they are after this. Don't re-open the Target. Let the community always remember what happens when they behave like f*cking animals.

Bet they don't even know the dead mans last name. George who?

non-rasists don't say ignorant shit like this surt. so I don't care how offended you are by being called a racist and fascist. Simply don't care about your special big-boy feefees concerned the matter

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He was pointing out how your words in that particular post (especially with the lack of any comments on George Floyds horrific murder), could have just as easily been said by a fascist.

Instead of taking offence you should go back and self analyse to see if that was as uncool as we are making out, then maybe improve yourself as a person.

The posters involved claim they are not fascist piece of shit scum. Although spouting similar rhetoric.

Here, take a look at this list of what was done:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/05/tragedy-and-comedy-in-the-twin-cities.php

– Wells Fargo Lake Street: Fire and property damage.
– J-Klips Lake Street: Property damage.
– Hennepin County Human Service Center: Property damage.
– ICC Wireless Lake Street: Property damage.
– Jackson Hewitt Tax Service: Property damage.
– Little Caesars Lake Street: Fire and property damage.
– Teppanyaki Grill Lake Street: Fire and property damage.
– Home Choice Lake Street: Fire and property damage.
– Dollar General Lake Street: Extensive fire damage.
– Twin Lake Dental: Fire and property damage.
– HD Laundry Lake Street: Fire and property damage.
– Citi Trends Lake Street: Fire and property damage.
– Total Wireless Lake Street: Fire and property damage.
– Pineda Tacos Lake Street: Property damage.
– Subway Lake Street: Property damage.
– 7 Mile Fashion Express East Lake Street: Destroyed by fire
– The Fremont Bar Uptown: Property damage, looting.
– O’Reilly Auto Parts West Broadway: Extensive fire damage.
– Broadway Liquor Outlet West Broadway: Property damage, looting.
– Quality Tobacco Lake and 1st: Extensive fire damage.
– Skol Liquor Store 27th Avenue: Property damage, looting.
– Max-It Pawn Shop Cedar Avenue: Extensive fire damage.
– Minnehaha Liquor Lake Street: Property damage, looting, extensive fire damage.
– Hexagon Bar at E 26th and 27th: Extensive fire damage.
– Target Lake Street: Looting, graffiti, property damage, fire damage.
– Wendy’s Lake Street: Fire, destroyed.
– Autozone Lake Street: Fire, destroyed.
– Cub Foods Lake Street: Looting, property damage, fire damage.

– Under construction affordable housing development at 26th and 29th: Fire, destroyed.
– 7-Sigma building, 26th and 29th: Fire, extensive damage.
– Minneapolis 3rd Police Precinct: Property damage, graffiti.
– Dollar Tree off Lake Street: Property damage, looting.
– Metro by T-Mobile Lake Street: Fire, extensive damage.
– Hi Lake Liquor: Property damage, looting.
– Speedway East Lake Street: Property damage.
– East Lake Library: Windows smashed, graffiti.
– Precision Tune Auto Care Lake Street: Property damage.
– U.S. Bank Lake Street: Property damage, graffiti.
– Dairy Queen East Lake Street: Property damage.
– Papa Murphy’s Pizza East Lake Street: Property damage.
– Planet Fitness on Lake: Property damage.
– Domino’s Pizza 26th and 28th: Property damage.
– Urban Forage Winery and Cider House, Lake and 29th: Property damage, looting.
– Gandhi Mahal Restaurant, 27th and Lake: Window smashed.
– Car-X Tire & Auto East Lake Street: Property damage, vehicle smashed through windows.
– Frattelone’s Ace Hardware East Lake Street: Property damage.
– MN Transitions Charter School: Property damage.
– Laundro Max East Lake Street: Window smashed.
– Soderberg’s Floral & Gift East Lake Street: Window smashed.
– East Lake Clinic: Property damage.
– Seward Pharmacy: Window smashed, graffiti.
– Electra Tune Auto Care on Lake St: Property damage, vehicle stolen.
– Walgreens at 43rd and Chicago: Property damage, looting.
– Elevated Beer Wine & Spirits, Hiawatha Ave: Property damage, looting.
– Schooner’s Tavern, barbershop next door: Fire, property damage.
– Seward Co-op, 28th and Franklin: Window smashed, attempted theft of ATM.
– Midtown Global Market: Property damage, looting.
– Briva Health Lake Street: Window smashed.
– Foot Locker East Lake Street: Property damage, looting.
– BMO Harris East Lake Street: Property damage.
– TCF Bank at 38th and Minnehaha: Property damage.
– Studiiyo23 Hennepin Avenue, Uptown: Property damage, looting.
– DTLR, Broadway, North Minneapolis: Property damage, looting.
– Uptown Pawn: Property damage, looting.
– La Familia Skate Shop: Property damage.
– Target Uptown: Property damage, looting.
– Chicago & Lake Liquor: Property damage, looting.
– East Lake Liquor: Property damage, looting.
– Ingebretsens on Lake: Property damage, windows smashed.
– Freewheel Bike: Property damage, windows smashed.
– Hamdi Restaurant, Midtown: Property damage, graffiti.
– Hudson’s Hardware, East 42nd Street: Property damage and looting.
– Birchwood Cafe, East 25th Street: Property damage.
– CVS Uptown: Property damage, looting.
– Timberland Uptown: Property damage, looting.
– Sunnys Wigs 29th and Lyndale: Property damage.
– Thurston Jewelers West Lake Street: Property damage.
– Banadir Pharmacy West Lake Street: Property damage and looting
– Sephora Uptown: Property damage.
– Gamestop Uptown: Property damage, looting.
– Indulge and Bloom, Uptown: Property damage.
– H&M Uptown: Windows smashed.
– Apple Store Uptown: Windows smashed.
– Urban Outfitters Uptown: Door window smashed.
– Smokeless Northeast: Vandalized, closed till further notice.
– AutoZone at 501 West Broadway, North Minneapolis: Unconfirmed report of looting, property damage.
– Buzzmart, downtown Minneapolis: Property damage.
– Town Talk Diner, Lake Street: Extensive property damage

More to come surely as the list is updated. But yeah, continue to call me a nazi and say how this is all needed.

The whole eorld is up in rage about this, but it won't change a thing sadly

Originally posted by Surtur
Here, take a look at this list of what was done:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/05/tragedy-and-comedy-in-the-twin-cities.php

– Wells Fargo Lake Street: Fire and property damage.
– J-Klips Lake Street: Property damage.
– Hennepin County Human Service Center: Property damage.
– ICC Wireless Lake Street: Property damage.
– Jackson Hewitt Tax Service: Property damage.
– Little Caesars Lake Street: Fire and property damage.
– Teppanyaki Grill Lake Street: Fire and property damage.
– Home Choice Lake Street: Fire and property damage.
– Dollar General Lake Street: Extensive fire damage.
– Twin Lake Dental: Fire and property damage.
– HD Laundry Lake Street: Fire and property damage.
– Citi Trends Lake Street: Fire and property damage.
– Total Wireless Lake Street: Fire and property damage.
– Pineda Tacos Lake Street: Property damage.
– Subway Lake Street: Property damage.
– 7 Mile Fashion Express East Lake Street: Destroyed by fire
– The Fremont Bar Uptown: Property damage, looting.
– O’Reilly Auto Parts West Broadway: Extensive fire damage.
– Broadway Liquor Outlet West Broadway: Property damage, looting.
– Quality Tobacco Lake and 1st: Extensive fire damage.
– Skol Liquor Store 27th Avenue: Property damage, looting.
– Max-It Pawn Shop Cedar Avenue: Extensive fire damage.
– Minnehaha Liquor Lake Street: Property damage, looting, extensive fire damage.
– Hexagon Bar at E 26th and 27th: Extensive fire damage.
– Target Lake Street: Looting, graffiti, property damage, fire damage.
– Wendy’s Lake Street: Fire, destroyed.
– Autozone Lake Street: Fire, destroyed.
– Cub Foods Lake Street: Looting, property damage, fire damage.

– Under construction affordable housing development at 26th and 29th: Fire, destroyed.
– 7-Sigma building, 26th and 29th: Fire, extensive damage.
– Minneapolis 3rd Police Precinct: Property damage, graffiti.
– Dollar Tree off Lake Street: Property damage, looting.
– Metro by T-Mobile Lake Street: Fire, extensive damage.
– Hi Lake Liquor: Property damage, looting.
– Speedway East Lake Street: Property damage.
– East Lake Library: Windows smashed, graffiti.
– Precision Tune Auto Care Lake Street: Property damage.
– U.S. Bank Lake Street: Property damage, graffiti.
– Dairy Queen East Lake Street: Property damage.
– Papa Murphy’s Pizza East Lake Street: Property damage.
– Planet Fitness on Lake: Property damage.
– Domino’s Pizza 26th and 28th: Property damage.
– Urban Forage Winery and Cider House, Lake and 29th: Property damage, looting.
– Gandhi Mahal Restaurant, 27th and Lake: Window smashed.
– Car-X Tire & Auto East Lake Street: Property damage, vehicle smashed through windows.
– Frattelone’s Ace Hardware East Lake Street: Property damage.
– MN Transitions Charter School: Property damage.
– Laundro Max East Lake Street: Window smashed.
– Soderberg’s Floral & Gift East Lake Street: Window smashed.
– East Lake Clinic: Property damage.
– Seward Pharmacy: Window smashed, graffiti.
– Electra Tune Auto Care on Lake St: Property damage, vehicle stolen.
– Walgreens at 43rd and Chicago: Property damage, looting.
– Elevated Beer Wine & Spirits, Hiawatha Ave: Property damage, looting.
– Schooner’s Tavern, barbershop next door: Fire, property damage.
– Seward Co-op, 28th and Franklin: Window smashed, attempted theft of ATM.
– Midtown Global Market: Property damage, looting.
– Briva Health Lake Street: Window smashed.
– Foot Locker East Lake Street: Property damage, looting.
– BMO Harris East Lake Street: Property damage.
– TCF Bank at 38th and Minnehaha: Property damage.
– Studiiyo23 Hennepin Avenue, Uptown: Property damage, looting.
– DTLR, Broadway, North Minneapolis: Property damage, looting.
– Uptown Pawn: Property damage, looting.
– La Familia Skate Shop: Property damage.
– Target Uptown: Property damage, looting.
– Chicago & Lake Liquor: Property damage, looting.
– East Lake Liquor: Property damage, looting.
– Ingebretsens on Lake: Property damage, windows smashed.
– Freewheel Bike: Property damage, windows smashed.
– Hamdi Restaurant, Midtown: Property damage, graffiti.
– Hudson’s Hardware, East 42nd Street: Property damage and looting.
– Birchwood Cafe, East 25th Street: Property damage.
– CVS Uptown: Property damage, looting.
– Timberland Uptown: Property damage, looting.
– Sunnys Wigs 29th and Lyndale: Property damage.
– Thurston Jewelers West Lake Street: Property damage.
– Banadir Pharmacy West Lake Street: Property damage and looting
– Sephora Uptown: Property damage.
– Gamestop Uptown: Property damage, looting.
– Indulge and Bloom, Uptown: Property damage.
– H&M Uptown: Windows smashed.
– Apple Store Uptown: Windows smashed.
– Urban Outfitters Uptown: Door window smashed.
– Smokeless Northeast: Vandalized, closed till further notice.
– AutoZone at 501 West Broadway, North Minneapolis: Unconfirmed report of looting, property damage.
– Buzzmart, downtown Minneapolis: Property damage.
– Town Talk Diner, Lake Street: Extensive property damage

More to come surely as the list is updated. But yeah, continue to call me a nazi and say how this is all needed.

Yeah yeah but trump but nazis blah blah.

he incited murder on Twitter. how was that not a direct agitation of an already volatile and explosive situation?

let me guess, mature smart guy: it doesn't matter because your special feelings are special?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Eventually people have to make a stand. Demonstrations are needed and enshrined in your law.

And I respect the right to peacefully protest.

Even violent protest is understandable, if people are pushed that far.

It's the pragmatism behind them I don't get.

Take another topic: Economic inequality. So much research, so many articles and lectures, and not one solid plan to fix the problem. Personally, I don't see how it CAN be fixed.

Do corporations still serve shareholder interests? Are common workers at will hires in most cases? Are unions weakened? Is there fierce competition for the best paying jobs, and do big businesses have informal agreements to keep wages as low as possible (Anti-poaching agreements, for example, as leaks show do happen)?

As far as I can see, the talk about inequality is exactly that: Talk. Big business isn't about to overhaul their excess for the common good, and no regulators can make them do that.

A lot of social justice politics is like this. Pointing out a problem, talking about it, shouting about it. But when the problem is framed as "microaggressions", its easy for someone else to just dismiss it, because its subjective. You can't fix microaggressions by protesting against it. I'm not even sure what can be done outside of an individual saying ("Well I, for one, won't do it"😉

Same deal with police officers. How on earth do you stop racist police officers? Or brutalizers? What policy can fix that?

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
The whole eorld is up in rage about this, but it won't change a thing sadly

What do you think people could do to change things?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Yeah, Trump has broken your nation and the murder on film of this poor man by these officers who are criminals was the flashpoint.

To be fair to Trump, even he came out straight and said the murder was awful.

Pretty much every platform condemned it outright including Fox News. So perhaps that deserves more credit for the swift action on this asswipes arrest than the riots.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
The whole eorld is up in rage about this, but it won't change a thing sadly

I think it has.

Its extremely rare for cops to get charged for assault and murder.

Even more so it getting done this fast. In fact this may be a first.

Originally posted by Artol
What do you think people could do to change things?

What needs to happen is a complete overhaul, but it never will.

Every country is different and perhaps seeing change through violence might work in other places but here I think it would end badly for those who tried it.

The problem is those who should be in office either have no interest in being in office or have no chance of being elected. Think of Tulsi or Yang. For all the calling of Trump a racist the democrats are gonna go with another racist guy. And the best argument is he's less racist than Trump.

So our choices are not very good. And as I said before left wing or right wing they're both on the same broken bird. They both have us so tightly in their grip I honestly don't know what to do. But I just think violence would end badly.

Originally posted by Artol
What do you think people could do to change things?

Not much. They can try and do more to vet and train police officers, but the core problem isn't going away. Which is poverty leading to crime, leading to an increasingly escalated police response, leading to paranoid/racist/shell shocked police officers going too far.

Ideally you want to fix inequality, but America isn't geared for that. It's a winner takes all system, that mainly exists at this point to make the very rich even richer.

And the entire world is complicit. There are many people in many countries who have gotten very rich off corporatism. America is essentially a giant casino for the well heeled or the wanna be's.

No fixing it, no one who matters wants to fix it.

Originally posted by cdtm
Not much. They can try and do more to vet and train police officers, but the core problem isn't going away. Which is poverty leading to crime, leading to an increasingly escalated police response, leading to paranoid/racist/shell shocked police officers going too far.

Ideally you want to fix inequality, but America isn't geared for that. It's a winner takes all system, that mainly exists at this point to make the very rich even richer.

And the entire world is complicit. There are many people in many countries who have gotten very rich off corporatism. America is essentially a giant casino for the well heeled or the wanna be's.

No fixing it, no one who matters wants to fix it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
To be fair to Trump, even he came out straight and said the murder was awful.

Pretty much every platform condemned it outright including Fox News. So perhaps that deserves more credit for the swift action on this asswipes arrest than the riots.

"thugs" and "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" are racist dog whistle terms (bullhorns at this point). when racist white people hear it, they smirk with contempt for the entire community, not just the rioters. when black people hear it, they know what it means: hunting season is open and black lives do not matter.

but yeah, he didn't try to blame the murder victim, and at least he didn't call the rest of the victim's community "animals" while trying to paint them all as rioters yet, so I'll give him that as well

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
You are right about poverty. Reaction isn't what drives racism though.

My point wasn't that reaction makes police racist, only that racist people become police officers, but also aren't the only cause of wrongful deaths.

Pretty much anybody serving in a high crime, heavily impoverished area will fear for their lives. We forget police officers don't want to die any more then we do, but they need to take that risk every day to eat.