The death of George Floyd/Chauvin guilty

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
"thugs" and "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" are racist dog whistle terms (bullhorns at this point). when racist white people hear it, they smirk with contempt for the entire community, not just the rioters. when black people hear it, they know what it means: hunting season is open and black lives do not matter.

but yeah, he didn't try to blame the murder victim, and at least he didn't call the rest of his community "animals" yet, so I'll give him that as well

Someone asked what's the point or need for these protest. My response is simply don't confuse violent looting and destruction and peaceful marching as one and the same.

Would anyone question validity of this historic event?

The Boston Tea Party was a political and mercantile protest by the Sons of Liberty in Boston, Massachusetts, on December 16, 1773.

Would anyone consider the Million Man March a protest?

Here's a Wikipedia list of some US protest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_in_the_United_States_by_size

Originally posted by cdtm
My point wasn't that reaction makes police racist, only that racist people become police officers, but also aren't the only cause of wrongful deaths.

Pretty much anybody serving in a high crime, heavily impoverished area will fear for their lives. We forget police officers don't want to die any more then we do, but they need to take that risk every day to eat.

Good point.

Originally posted by Gadabout
Someone asked what's the point or need for these protest. My response is simply don't confuse violent looting and destruction and peaceful marching as one and the same.

Would anyone question validity of this historic event?

The Boston Tea Party was a political and mercantile protest by the Sons of Liberty in Boston, Massachusetts, on December 16, 1773.

Would anyone consider the Million Man March a protest?

Here's a Wikipedia list of some US protest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_in_the_United_States_by_size

Originally posted by Gadabout
Someone asked what's the point or need for these protest. My response is simply don't confuse violent looting and destruction and peaceful marching as one and the same.

Would anyone question validity of this historic event?

The Boston Tea Party was a political and mercantile protest by the Sons of Liberty in Boston, Massachusetts, on December 16, 1773.

Would anyone consider the Million Man March a protest?

Here's a Wikipedia list of some US protest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_in_the_United_States_by_size

Peaceful protest is fine. Looting, burning, and attacking people is not.

It really is that simple.

Originally posted by Gadabout
Someone asked what's the point or need for these protest. My response is simply don't confuse violent looting and destruction and peaceful marching as one and the same.

Would anyone question validity of this historic event?

The Boston Tea Party was a political and mercantile protest by the Sons of Liberty in Boston, Massachusetts, on December 16, 1773.

Would anyone consider the Million Man March a protest?

Here's a Wikipedia list of some US protest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_in_the_United_States_by_size

Yes, protesting against excessive taxation or voting rights or workers rights, that I can see.

Protesting against racism? To what end? Ending racism?

How can that ever happen? That's an individual evil, not systemic.

If there were systemic racism, then that's different. But this is against one police officer. And possibly many more, possibly less, possibly all, we really don't know. But no system can fix "racist people".

Originally posted by cdtm
Yes, protesting against excessive taxation or voting rights or workers rights, that I can see.

Protesting against racism? To what end? Ending racisn?

How can that ever happen?

Originally posted by cdtm
Protesting against racism? To what end? Ending racism?

that's a strawman you're arguing against. they are protesting the clear pattern on disproportionate unnecessary violence toward blacks by the police, who tend to get away with it unless they become grossly emboldened and blatant like we saw in that video.

yes the cause of this pattern is racism, but I doubt any of those protesters have delusions of ending racism itself

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
if you have to ask you are a lost cause.

Come on Whirl, you've seen enough of my posts to know that's true. 🙂

Ok, Trump. Can you fix him?

Can you fix it so no one like him ever gets into the white house?

Would an anti-Trump protest really do anything about it?

Now do you see what I'm trying to get at?

The protest is against systemic injustice....to try and suggest or straight out say there is no systemic injustice in this country is just false, I won't even try and get into the why anyone would attempt such an argument.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
that's a strawman you're arguing against. they are protesting the clear pattern on disproportionate unnecessary violence toward blacks by the police, who tend to get away with it unless they become grossly emboldened and blatant like we saw in that video.

yes the cause of this pattern is racism, but I doubt any of those protesters have delusions of ending racism itself

To what end though?

I mean, if it's anger to express anger, that I can at least understand. But using a term like "Needed protest" suggest protesting can fix a problem.

So I asked, how? How will this protest fix a problem?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
"thugs" and "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" are racist dog whistle terms (bullhorns at this point).

Oh without a doubt. But come on, hes still Trump.

I just felt like for the first time in a long time I saw the tiniest bit of humanity in him.

Originally posted by Gadabout
The protest is against systemic injustice....to try and suggest or straight out say there is no systemic injustice in this country is just false, I won't even try and get into the why anyone would attempt such an argument.

And how do you fix that?

If the problems so obvious, what is the solution.

Dumb it down for me. I don't do well with naunce.

As a solution- how about cameras on cops at all times while they are on duty? Public accessible footage upon request. That's something. Requirements for integrated police forces, offering extra incentives for black police recruits. It won't happen overnight, but we need solutions to the symptoms of the disease, even if we can't cure the cause.

Originally posted by cdtm
To what end though?

I mean, if it's anger to express anger, that I can at least understand. But using a term like "Needed protest" suggest protesting can fix a problem.

So I asked, how? How will this protest fix a problem?

to enact policy/training/hiring changes which prevent systemic race-motivated violence and violation of rights against black people by the police. seems clear enough an objective to me.

Originally posted by truejedi
As a solution- how about cameras on cops at all times while they are on duty? Public accessible footage upon request. That's something. Requirements for integrated police forces, offering extra incentives for black police recruits. It won't happen overnight, but we need solutions to the symptoms of the disease, even if we can't cure the cause.

This would be good. I wonder if they could make it so the cop can't turn it off, it gets turned on and off remotely.

Originally posted by Gadabout
Someone asked what's the point or need for these protest. My response is simply don't confuse violent looting and destruction and peaceful marching as one and the same.

Would anyone question validity of this historic event?

The Boston Tea Party was a political and mercantile protest by the Sons of Liberty in Boston, Massachusetts, on December 16, 1773.

Would anyone consider the Million Man March a protest?

Here's a Wikipedia list of some US protest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_in_the_United_States_by_size

Peaceful protests can actually cause disruption. They can shout in anger and block streets, be intimidating (within reason).

And if they are consistent with that until action is taken then it can certainly be impactful. But clearly it would take longer for action to be taken that way. But yeah that is the correct way.

But what people dont seem to get here is Anger doesnt always follow a laid out methodology. And we dont really understand the anger of the black community, because lets not pretend theres no social class differences, that they dont constantly get pulled over, or shot at, or face intimidation by the police. Instances which are never caught on camera.

Its just kind of heartless (imo) to complain about the riots, as if theyre just happening for no reason. Of course the looting is just people taking advantage, but I doubt thats solely black people.

Without protest....and disruptive protest...then the status quo continues.

Protest has ended

Child labor

Voting rights discrimination

oh and slavery

I'd say there is great bebefit to protest

And do they do a psych eval when they hire these cops? If not, they need to. If they do...they need to do a better job.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh without a doubt. But come on, hes still Trump.

I just felt like for the first time in a long time I saw the tiniest bit of humanity in him.

It was a rare moment and out of character, but this is the Presidency of the United States, not a special education class. I can't stand there and applaud him for finally not eating the elmers glue today, and just continue clapping while pretending not to notice that he is presently shitting his pants.